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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jun 19 11.03pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Agreed bud, the thing is the first target is the ever-so obvious 'Little Englander' but the bright among us know that it won't stop there. They came first for the............ I'm afraid so.
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03 Jun 19 11.03pm

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Originally posted by .TUX.

Agreed bud, the thing is the first target is the ever-so obvious 'Little Englander' but the bright among us know that it won't stop there.

They came first for the............

I'm afraid so.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Jun 19 11.18pm
Greek islands are another target. And they’ll probably get them in time, What with how it’s putting off tourists. Add Italy in too. COYP
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Caterham 03 Jun 19 11.18pm

Greek islands are another target. And they’ll probably get them in time, What with how it’s putting off tourists. Add Italy in too.

COYP

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Maine Eagle USA 04 Jun 19 1.05am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The argument is that the those of us who have had ancestral history, genes and culture stretching back thousands of years should have the right to protest when our line is about to be erased in a few generations at the current rate. It is about protecting our own 'race' from extinction rather than focusing on race in general. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Jun 2019 8.59pm) Why is your line going to be erased then? Are car washers from Albania going to eradicate your race, Hrolf? What are you on here, son...? Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 04 Jun 19 1.05am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The argument is that the those of us who have had ancestral history, genes and culture stretching back thousands of years should have the right to protest when our line is about to be erased in a few generations at the current rate.
It is about protecting our own 'race' from extinction rather than focusing on race in general.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Jun 2019 8.59pm)

Why is your line going to be erased then?

Are car washers from Albania going to eradicate your race, Hrolf?

What are you on here, son...?

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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Stirlingsays 04 Jun 19 5.57am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman But he was referring to British, which you’ve agreed with further back in the thread. Black British British Asian Sure, he is black British. The British term is a political one, which essentially describes unions between countries. It was originally thought of as describing people from the British isles. However essentially, due to high immigration rates, it means anyone who gets here and stays here. So for me this word is now a kind of inclusive 'anyone who intends to stay in Britain' term. Originally posted by Rudi Hedman French African (going against my point but it covers the fact someone black or from Africa doesn’t have French genes and probably likes to keep their genetic identity) When people whose genes are obviously not from this country play sport for ENGLAND they’re probably playing to represent the people and country and country of their birth but in lots of cases still hang onto and remember the country of their families. However the representing of the best football team that picks you kind of ruins that with some players. Yep, it's like the African American term. It mixes a racial identity with a cultural one. I accept this concept for practical purposes but only if the percent is controlled. As with Japan and as with Israel and in fact quite a few countries around the world when you look into it. Unless a nation puts in place rules to ensure that only its own adherents hold power, then that dilution eventually turns them into a minority. Essentially, England as a majority anglo saxon nation is on a timer because these rules weren't put in place decades ago. I don't know what can be done about it now.....we needed strong people back in the sixties, but we didn't have them. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 6.38am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jun 19 5.57am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

But he was referring to British, which you’ve agreed with further back in the thread.

Black British
British Asian

Sure, he is black British.

The British term is a political one, which essentially describes unions between countries. It was originally thought of as describing people from the British isles. However essentially, due to high immigration rates, it means anyone who gets here and stays here. So for me this word is now a kind of inclusive 'anyone who intends to stay in Britain' term.

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

French African (going against my point but it covers the fact someone black or from Africa doesn’t have French genes and probably likes to keep their genetic identity)

When people whose genes are obviously not from this country play sport for ENGLAND they’re probably playing to represent the people and country and country of their birth but in lots of cases still hang onto and remember the country of their families. However the representing of the best football team that picks you kind of ruins that with some players.

Yep, it's like the African American term. It mixes a racial identity with a cultural one.

I accept this concept for practical purposes but only if the percent is controlled.

As with Japan and as with Israel and in fact quite a few countries around the world when you look into it. Unless a nation puts in place rules to ensure that only its own adherents hold power, then that dilution eventually turns them into a minority.

Essentially, England as a majority anglo saxon nation is on a timer because these rules weren't put in place decades ago.

I don't know what can be done about it now.....we needed strong people back in the sixties, but we didn't have them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 6.38am)

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Stirlingsays 04 Jun 19 6.28am
Originally posted by Belmont My previous post isn't the whole reason I identify with being British. Growing up at a young age I was who I was, I didn't really question where I was from and who I was. It was due to bigotry from the far right telling me I didn't belong and I should go back to where I was from that made me really question my identity, to the point I now can't use the term we when talking about any England national team in any sport I always refer to them in the third person. If you don't think you're English then I'm not going to argue that point with you. I'm just saying it's an identity you can claim if you were born in England. Originally posted by Belmont So in my case I didn't agree with the far right it was a consequence of the far right that I indentify with a nationality which to me is British. So you didn't agree with the far right so your response was to do what they wanted? Originally posted by Belmont As for genetics to indentify Englishness that is a hard one to call, as I'm sure you are aware peoples from all over the world have been coming to these shores for centuries and as humans I can't believe there wasn't inter relationships going on. As for culturally I am and my father before me are/were very much in the mold of English/British culture so far as the typical traits go. We could use that argument to deny any nationalities exist I suppose. In terms of genes and nationalities, these are deep topics. I see nationalities as kind of like planetally atmospheres. You can know what its majority parts are within them but if someone asks you for the exact point where the atmosphere stops, it's difficult to answer. As for the 'centuries' question. Look at some footage of England pre 1945. From that the, 'who are the genetic English' question is quite easy to answer. I agree on the cultural aspect. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 7.04am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jun 19 6.28am

Originally posted by Belmont

My previous post isn't the whole reason I identify with being British. Growing up at a young age I was who I was, I didn't really question where I was from and who I was. It was due to bigotry from the far right telling me I didn't belong and I should go back to where I was from that made me really question my identity, to the point I now can't use the term we when talking about any England national team in any sport I always refer to them in the third person.

If you don't think you're English then I'm not going to argue that point with you. I'm just saying it's an identity you can claim if you were born in England.

Originally posted by Belmont

So in my case I didn't agree with the far right it was a consequence of the far right that I indentify with a nationality which to me is British.

So you didn't agree with the far right so your response was to do what they wanted?

Originally posted by Belmont

As for genetics to indentify Englishness that is a hard one to call, as I'm sure you are aware peoples from all over the world have been coming to these shores for centuries and as humans I can't believe there wasn't inter relationships going on.

As for culturally I am and my father before me are/were very much in the mold of English/British culture so far as the typical traits go.

We could use that argument to deny any nationalities exist I suppose.

In terms of genes and nationalities, these are deep topics. I see nationalities as kind of like planetally atmospheres. You can know what its majority parts are within them but if someone asks you for the exact point where the atmosphere stops, it's difficult to answer.

As for the 'centuries' question. Look at some footage of England pre 1945. From that the, 'who are the genetic English' question is quite easy to answer.

I agree on the cultural aspect.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 7.04am)

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Stirlingsays 04 Jun 19 6.33am
Originally posted by .TUX. Agreed bud, the thing is the first target is the ever-so obvious 'Little Englander' but the bright among us know that it won't stop there. They came first for the............ Yep, if you're a social conservative appartently you find out that you must support Hitler......because blah blah blah 'insert dodgy reasoning here'. It's the old 'guilt by association' attempts to discredit. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 6.59am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jun 19 6.33am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Agreed bud, the thing is the first target is the ever-so obvious 'Little Englander' but the bright among us know that it won't stop there.

They came first for the............

Yep, if you're a social conservative appartently you find out that you must support Hitler......because blah blah blah 'insert dodgy reasoning here'.

It's the old 'guilt by association' attempts to discredit.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 6.59am)

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dannyboy1978 04 Jun 19 7.04am
Is it racism or are people genuinely Worried about what's happening to the country BBC News - France: Imam jailed over Channel migrant crossings [Link] BBC News - UK terror threat: How has it changed? [Link] If the BBC them selves are telling us foreign terrorism is the biggest threat to the UK and wants to tell us almost daily of migrants entering Britain illegally, or tells us of 1400 muslim rapists in Rotherham. do they not expect the population to be worried. To then have children effected BBC News - Leicester Islamic faith school told to stop separating girls and boys [Link] BBC News - Birmingham LGBT row: Protesters banned from school [Link] I'm not buying it's 0.1 of the Muslim population and neither is the rest of Britain, they must think we are stupid especially when our own government is concerned. [Link] The left will carry on putting their head in the sand
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dannyboy1978

04 Jun 19 7.04am

Is it racism or are people genuinely
Worried about what's happening to the country
BBC News - France: Imam jailed over Channel migrant crossings
[Link]
BBC News - UK terror threat: How has it changed?
[Link]

If the BBC them selves are telling us foreign terrorism is the biggest threat to the UK and wants to tell us almost daily of migrants entering Britain illegally, or tells us of 1400 muslim rapists in Rotherham. do they not expect the population to be worried.
To then have children effected
BBC News - Leicester Islamic faith school told to stop separating girls and boys
[Link]
BBC News - Birmingham LGBT row: Protesters banned from school
[Link]
I'm not buying it's 0.1 of the Muslim population and neither is the rest of Britain, they must think we are stupid especially when our own government is concerned.
[Link]
The left will carry on putting their head in the sand

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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jun 19 1.33pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Why is your line going to be erased then? Are car washers from Albania going to eradicate your race, Hrolf? What are you on here, son...? Are you now only reduced to trolling? Wait. That is all you ever did. You already know the answer to this question but your loyal adherence to a dim witted ideology prevents you from admitting it.
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Hrolf The Ganger

04 Jun 19 1.33pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Why is your line going to be erased then?

Are car washers from Albania going to eradicate your race, Hrolf?

What are you on here, son...?

Are you now only reduced to trolling?

Wait. That is all you ever did.

You already know the answer to this question but your loyal adherence to a dim witted ideology prevents you from admitting it.

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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jun 19 1.35pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, if you're a social conservative appartently you find out that you must support Hitler......because blah blah blah 'insert dodgy reasoning here'. It's the old 'guilt by association' attempts to discredit. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 6.59am) Oh yes. The man who did more to elevate the Left and modern identity politics than any other individual ever. Sure. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Jun 2019 1.36pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger

04 Jun 19 1.35pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, if you're a social conservative appartently you find out that you must support Hitler......because blah blah blah 'insert dodgy reasoning here'.

It's the old 'guilt by association' attempts to discredit.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 6.59am)

Oh yes. The man who did more to elevate the Left and modern identity politics than any other individual ever.

Sure.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Jun 2019 1.36pm)

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Belmont 05 Jun 19 7.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We could use that argument to deny any nationalities exist I suppose. In terms of genes and nationalities, these are deep topics. I see nationalities as kind of like planetally atmospheres. You can know what its majority parts are within them but if someone asks you for the exact point where the atmosphere stops, it's difficult to answer. As for the 'centuries' question. Look at some footage of England pre 1945. From that the, 'who are the genetic English' question is quite easy to answer. I agree on the cultural aspect. In answer to your question "So you didn't agree with the far right so your response was to do what they wanted?" Well events with the Far right did shape me but no more than past events shape anybody and not to the degree that weighs on me. Also if my response was to truly do what they wanted I would have asked for my repatriation money so I could "go back to where I belong" which as it happened would have not been about a bus ride away so I could have been up on the deal I reckon. Anyway I only really dipped into this thread to hopefully offer a different perspective and not really to make any sort of point, as most of the opinions I read seem to be wrapped up in neat little boxes and very black and white but as you know life has far more subtle nuances than that, you can quote stats and post videos all you like but they can be slanted anyway you want. I'm not saying they are wrong or right just that sometimes you need to look into the grey on subjects to get a clearer picture. Anyway I could dip into many other threads on these boards but I'm going to leave it for now, but I will leave you with one genuine question that has always puzzled me, When the British team win a gold at the Olympics the Nation Anthem is played, when any England team plays the same anthem is played why is there not an English Nation Anthem? Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 7.04am)
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Belmont

05 Jun 19 7.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We could use that argument to deny any nationalities exist I suppose.

As for the 'centuries' question. Look at some footage of England pre 1945. From that the, 'who are the genetic English' question is quite easy to answer.

I agree on the cultural aspect.

In answer to your question "So you didn't agree with the far right so your response was to do what they wanted?"

Well events with the Far right did shape me but no more than past events shape anybody and not to the degree that weighs on me. Also if my response was to truly do what they wanted I would have asked for my repatriation money so I could "go back to where I belong" which as it happened would have not been about a bus ride away so I could have been up on the deal I reckon.

Anyway I only really dipped into this thread to hopefully offer a different perspective and not really to make any sort of point, as most of the opinions I read seem to be wrapped up in neat little boxes and very black and white but as you know life has far more subtle nuances than that, you can quote stats and post videos all you like but they can be slanted anyway you want. I'm not saying they are wrong or right just that sometimes you need to look into the grey on subjects to get a clearer picture.

Anyway I could dip into many other threads on these boards but I'm going to leave it for now, but I will leave you with one genuine question that has always puzzled me, When the British team win a gold at the Olympics the Nation Anthem is played, when any England team plays the same anthem is played why is there not an English Nation Anthem?

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jun 2019 7.04am)

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