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dannyboy1978 08 Jun 20 1.56pm | |
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It does not matter how anyone feels, what's your point.
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 08 Jun 20 2.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
The news last night (BBC), they asked a girl about why she was protesting and all she could come up with is, “we can’t take this racism any longer and we are oppressed and it’s wrong” and “stop and search is wrong”. Really, is that the kind of thoughts running through people’s minds that makes them want to protest and riot. I would have thought there might be something a little more complex than this. I would say 90% of protestors have absolutely no idea what they want or how something can be done to improve things. Just shouting racism is bad is going to achieve f all and then rioting to enforce it is just going to make the majority of this country switch off to their plight. We like a minority or an underdog if you like in this country, someone or groups of people that beat the odds, we always have. What we don’t like is being told en mass that we are all fundamentally racist and that we must change. That attitude will never work. I look at the Indian, pakistani, Chinese, Bangladeshi and others who work so hard to make their place in British Society and I don’t see them rioting about racism or injustice. I wish the black people who feel they have been so hard done by tell us why they feel like this. Maybe then we can try to understand what the problem is. They are the exact top 4 in the list of countries where slavery still exists in the article that Teddy Eagle provided a link to just after 1 o'clock today. Don't know what it's telling us but it's an interesting observation.
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Eaglecoops CR3 08 Jun 20 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by mezzer
They are the exact top 4 in the list of countries where slavery still exists in the article that Teddy Eagle provided a link to just after 1 o'clock today. Don't know what it's telling us but it's an interesting observation. Maybe, it’s that our country is not such a bad place to live at all and you do best by making your own luck.
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BlueJay UK 08 Jun 20 2.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Retrospective 'punishment' for things that happened in another time is absurd and totally illogical.
That's true, but retrospective respect to the man is too. Past legality isn't the primary lens or get out through which everything must be judged. People both now and then knew that slavery was cruel and inhumane. It was though, also a very profitable enterprise hence its continuation. Let's also remember that just a stones throw back in some countries, blacks at the front of the bus were illegal, sit-ins were illegal, running away as a slave was illegal and severely punished. We don't have to respect that these freedoms were once illegal, just as we don't have to respect slavery being legal in the past either. If we're going to hold close all artifact of our past, we can't very well suggest that other races should forget about their histories too, the impact of it or what it means to them. With that said, any decision regarding this statue should have happened via democratic process not people taking it into their own hands. I do appreciate the point that says "well where does it end.." and was angry to see the damage and criminality elsewhere. The statue of Edward Colston however would but better placed and understood in a museum. I fully support dredging it from the depths. The scrawlings on it should not be removed though, as they are now also a meaningful part of Colston's history. Some would say, a fitting one.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Jun 20 2.55pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
That's true, but retrospective respect to the man is too. Past legality isn't the primary lens through which everything must be judged. People both now and then knew that slavery was cruel and inhumane. It was though, also a very profitable enterprise hence its continuation. Let's also remember that just a If we're going to hold close all artifact of our past, we can't very well suggest that other races should forget about their histories too, the impact of it or what it means to them. With that said, any decision regarding this statue should have happened via democratic process not people taking it into their own hands. I do appreciate the point that says "well where does it end.." and was angry to see the damage and criminality elsewhere. The statue of Edward Colston however would but better placed and understood in a museum. I fully support dredging it from the depths. The scrawlings on it should not be removed though, as they are now also a meaningful part of his history. Some would say, a fitting one.
What exactly does it mean to them then? Let's not kid ourselves that Britain prospered greatly at the expense of many others, as did just about anyone else who has prospered in history. But there are many now who are happy to live the lives they do, in this land, off the back of this prosperity so don't complain about it when you do.
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 08 Jun 20 3.02pm | |
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Anybody thought, that while history was being destroyed, in the slave trader builder of Bristol, that history was also being made, as the day the people rebelled, like it or loathe it, they have taken part in a historical day for Bristol, one that will go in the history books for ever!
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dannyboy1978 08 Jun 20 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Anybody thought, that while history was being destroyed, in the slave trader builder of Bristol, that history was also being made, as the day the people rebelled, like it or loathe it, they have taken part in a historical day for Bristol, one that will go in the history books for ever! Not everyone agrees it should be taken down though. I'll go and rip down the Mendela statue, am I aloud to do that now?????? The rules now state I can. Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Jun 2020 3.28pm)
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jeeagles 08 Jun 20 3.36pm | |
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8 years old, and in the guardian. Seems like a contrived attempt to dig up something to make you feel better about yourself and no linked to the current situation. But then they are all tenuous links to try and prove a narritave that only suits you, and ultimately damages the equal rights movement and people get bored of you claiming everyone is a racist in a simple black or white Disney hero and villan ideal.
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jeeagles 08 Jun 20 3.43pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Not everyone agrees it should be taken down though. I'll go and rip down the Mendela statue, am I aloud to do that now?????? The rules now state I can. Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Jun 2020 3.28pm) If the people throwing stuff at Police had learnt anything from Nelson Mandela, the would realise that he campaigned to reconcile differences and the exteme left hated him for it.
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davenotamonkey 08 Jun 20 3.56pm | |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Anybody thought, that while history was being destroyed, in the slave trader builder of Bristol, that history was also being made, as the day the people rebelled, like it or loathe it, they have taken part in a historical day for Bristol, one that will go in the history books for ever! Cool. We tearing down the Mosques glorifying a 6th slave trader then? Let's make some history, amirite?
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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jun 20 4.03pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
That's true, but retrospective respect to the man is too. Past legality isn't the primary lens or get out through which everything must be judged. People both now and then knew that slavery was cruel and inhumane. It was though, also a very profitable enterprise hence its continuation. Let's also remember that just a stones throw back in some countries, blacks at the front of the bus were illegal, sit-ins were illegal, running away as a slave was illegal and severely punished. We don't have to respect that these freedoms were once illegal, just as we don't have to respect slavery being legal in the past either. If we're going to hold close all artifact of our past, we can't very well suggest that other races should forget about their histories too, the impact of it or what it means to them. With that said, any decision regarding this statue should have happened via democratic process not people taking it into their own hands. I do appreciate the point that says "well where does it end.." and was angry to see the damage and criminality elsewhere. The statue of Edward Colston however would but better placed and understood in a museum. I fully support dredging it from the depths. The scrawlings on it should not be removed though, as they are now also a meaningful part of Colston's history. Some would say, a fitting one.
My personal opinion is that education is everything. Colston should be retained as a reminder to all races of how we arrived here, warts and all. It was what it was with no excuses.
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Stirlingsays 08 Jun 20 4.08pm | |
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What happened to that statue was little different to how the Taliban behaved with items of history they disapproved of. Legal process fine. I'm still beside myself with the defacement of London statues and monuments. I want the leaders of the Met to resign.....Whoever this non response and knee bending came from.....I want their resignation.
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