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 Kingvagabond  London 11 Apr 13 2.13pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 11 Apr 2013 1.51pm
Quote Kingvagabond at 11 Apr 2013 1.44pm
I can only go off the words of the guy that was actually there Stirling. Sure you can.....Looks like we better believe all the witness statements that get made, because they were there and we weren't. No one has an agenda do they. I see no real reason why a member of my family who supported Thatcher on a huge series of situations would have a reason to lie to me about what they saw that day no?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 13 2.14pm |
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Quote dingdong at 11 Apr 2013 12.47pm
the cost of the b#tches funeral is around the 8 million mark. The rebate that Mrs Thatcher negotiated for this country has brought us so far £75BILLION and I believe that this puts money into perspective.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 13 2.16pm |
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It's a myth that Thatcher did any good. All I will state is that the great lady was victorious in THREE General Elections - not bad for someone who supposedly didn't do any good.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Apr 13 2.17pm |
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Quote Willo at 11 Apr 2013 2.14pm
Quote dingdong at 11 Apr 2013 12.47pm
the cost of the b#tches funeral is around the 8 million mark. The rebate that Mrs Thatcher negotiated for this country has brought us so far £75BILLION and I believe that this puts money into perspective.
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| gambler Kent 11 Apr 13 2.17pm |
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Quote Willo at 11 Apr 2013 2.09pm
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But that's not why she did it is it? She didn't close the pits to save the environment! It is a myth that Mrs Thatcher destroyed the coal industry.Even before she came to power it was a shadow of it's former self. My point is that's its no good justifying something with benefit of hindsight, in that the enviornmental or safety/health of the miners had anything to do with what she did. Bliar has done the same. After taking us to war in iraq over weapons of mass destruction. We now know none were found, then at the inquirys afterwards he basically said it was ok to go to war anyway because saddam was a evil person!
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| Stirlingsays 11 Apr 13 2.21pm |
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Thatcher gets the blame for facing reality with coal. She had to take on the unions, we had little choice. The only criticism I would direct at her is that her answer to the loss of jobs was 'get on your bike'....Go where the work is....Well, ok.....But she should have invested in regeneration. We gave up on a generation of workers...She was too south east focused....Sure that's the money earning part but she was the PM for Britain not just the city.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 13 2.23pm |
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My point is that's its no good justifying something with benefit of hindsight, in that the enviornmental or safety/health of the miners had anything to do with what she did. With all due respect I was NEVER insinuating that decisions were made on 'Environmental' grounds. The truth is that a radical shake-up of British industry , which had limped along on government subsidies for far too long, was badly overdue. Her predecessors had put off the difficult decisions for too too long which meant that the pain would eventually be all the greater.
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| johnfirewall 11 Apr 13 2.25pm |
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Quote gambler at 11 Apr 2013 2.05pm
Quote Willo at 11 Apr 2013 1.56pm
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That's the part of Anti-Thatcherism I don't get. Are we really all supposed to be working down the pit in the 21st century? An incredibly hazardous job. Indeed ! Do Mrs Thatcher's critics really believe that thousands of men should still be toiling in desperately dark and dangerous conditions so that our skies can once again be filled with thick black smoke from coal fires ?
All in the name of progress but you can say it was out of spite if you wish. Financial services evolved enourmously. Perhaps some may have envisaged industry coming on leaps and bounds, coal removed from the ground with no human intervention or advances in steel output but we're not hearing from the people who had better ideas just those that consider Thatcher the ruin of the country.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 13 2.31pm |
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And how has this money been invested to rejuvenate the areas that suffered from pit closures? Areas were suffering from pit closures well before Mrs Thatcher came to power.More pits were closed in the 60s than the 80s yet who today blames the then Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson ?
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 2.34pm |
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Interesting article arguing that Thatcher's economic model didn't work and our economy is now more unstable and volatile that the one it replaced: [Link]
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| Stirlingsays 11 Apr 13 2.36pm |
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Quote Kingvagabond at 11 Apr 2013 2.13pm
I see no real reason why a member of my family who supported Thatcher on a huge series of situations would have a reason to lie to me about what they saw that day no? Well, I'm not going to call anyone a liar but I will say that from what I know about doing security in my youthful past I have a world weary perspective on it. Doing security at large gatherings basically means containing large groups of people and often stopping them from doing what they want to do.....I would just say that I have my doubts as too the one sided nature of the description given to you. In situations of high stress there is rarely one side who are the innocent ones and bad apples on either side don't define whole sections. The standards of behaviour for the Police are set far higher than they are for the public. Yet in my eyes each individual is responsible for their behaviour...And that's wearing a uniform and taking the state's coin or protesting and expressing your democratic rights.
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SloveniaDave  Tirana, Albania 11 Apr 13 2.36pm |
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The point about the effects of the miners strike and whether Thatcher could or should have done something to ameliorate the impact of closures (with hindsight of course she should) ignores the core issue. The truth is that the strike was wholly caused by the miners themselves and their inept, politically motivated leaders. If anyone is responsible for the effects, then it is the NUM leadership and, by extension, the miners themselves. They thought they could get away with blackmailing the country and they failed.
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