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 matt_himself  Matataland 13 Jul 17 6.56pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well yeah, for people that can afford it - healthcare and education, for example. But for those that can't, the vast majority, Government 'interference' to provide is 100% needed. As well as the above we need defence, Law/Justice, Environmental care, roadworks, food and rural affairs, etc all to be administered by The State. You may disagree so how would you expect private enterprise and market forces to do better for the people of the UK if they were given free rein to take over those sectors? Do you really believe that the EU, the belweather of horse trading, has our best interests at heart? Every time you have posted something on here about how great the EU is, for example environmental law, it has been slapped back in your face how they failed with the diesel scandal. I do appreciate that you have dug yourself in a hole with your unconditional support of the EU but your position is ridiculous. We will be better out. Their banks are collapsing, we will pay to do a trade deal and hen we can trade, at our terms, with the World. Deal with it Michael. You backed he wrong horse.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Jul 17 6.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Errr....We are paying our debts...Put down the juice and your anti British glasses. Holistically economically we are and have been doing well for a very long time.....I say that while recognising that we do have issues....But not ones connected to brexit. The UK is only paying toward the interest on its debts that is all. The amount is 1.7 trillion escalating to 2 trillion by 2020.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Jul 17 7.00pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK is only paying toward the interest on its debts that is all. The amount is 1.7 trillion escalating to 2 trillion by 2020. The EU is 12.5 trillion in debt. Unlike the UK it isn't paying down its deficit.
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Kermit8  Hevon 13 Jul 17 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK is only paying toward the interest on its debts that is all. The amount is 1.7 trillion escalating to 2 trillion by 2020. But...but...but I've always been told it was The Tories that were good for the nation's housekeeping and that labour were spendthrifts. UK debt of GDP 64.5% under Labour in 2009 (last full year of their administration) and by 2015 under The Tories it was 89.1%. Not sure what it is now. I daren't look.
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europalace  Europe 13 Jul 17 7.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, a union isn't a country of course...even though disasters like you would no doubt have it as one. Those statistics are no doubt complied with the UK within them....We are one of only three net contributors.
Well, I expected that kind of reply from someone like yourself (and a few others on here) who are desperately attempting to defend the disastrous situation the UK has put itself in. The fact is other large economies want to deal with other large economies and the EU with its structure acts as one economy whether you like that or not. That's why Japan has signed a deal recently with the EU and China will follow shortly together with the US. After that, the pecking order goes right down where you'll find the UK, fact of life. Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.11pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Jul 17 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, a union isn't a country of course...even though disasters like you would no doubt have it as one.
What f***ing bulls***. Baseless f***ing bulls***.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Jul 17 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well yeah, for people that can afford it - healthcare and education, for example. But for those that can't, the vast majority, Government 'interference' to provide is 100% needed. As well as the above we need defence, Law/Justice, Environmental care, roadworks, food and rural affairs, etc all to be administered by The State. You may disagree so how would you expect private enterprise and market forces to do better for the people of the UK if they were given free rein to take over those sectors? If you read my previous posts on this, I agree that the state must carry out most of the functions you mention.
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| europalace Europe 13 Jul 17 7.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The EU is 12.5 trillion in debt. Unlike the UK it isn't paying down its deficit. Well that's around 85% of GDP which isn't particularly bad at all. The difference is that the EU can get the prime deals with the other large economies worldwide (who are now starting to queue up to do so), something that the UK clearly can't and won't be able to for a long time. What's the UK's debt as a % of GDP? I know but let's see if you know and tell me if it's much better than that of the EU. Debt on it's own is meaningless unless it's shown as a % of GDP. Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.37pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 13 Jul 17 7.42pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Well that's around 85% of GDP which isn't particularly bad at all. The difference is that the EU can get the prime deals with the other large economies worldwide (who are now starting to queue up to do so), something that the UK clearly can't and won't be able to for a long time. What's the UK's debt as a % of GDP? I know but let's see if you know and tell me if it's much better than that of the EU. Debt on it's own is meaningless unless it's shown as a % of GDP. Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.37pm) I guess it is easier to manage debt when you live in a tax haven.
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| europalace Europe 13 Jul 17 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I guess it is easier to manage debt when you live in a tax haven.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Jul 17 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Well that's around 85% of GDP which isn't particularly bad at all. The difference is that the EU can get the prime deals with the other large economies worldwide (who are now starting to queue up to do so), something that the UK clearly can't and won't be able to for a long time. What's the UK's debt as a % of GDP? I know but let's see if you know and tell me if it's much better than that of the EU. Debt on it's own is meaningless unless it's shown as a % of GDP. I suppose it is easy for you to bash away at your keyboard but it is a different story when you are offered a face to face meet up. I am still waiting for you to agree but after two months you are still chicken to take me up on my offer. You just keep plugging away at the keys on your keyboard posting loads of cr@p !!! Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.37pm)
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| Stirlingsays 13 Jul 17 7.54pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Well that's around 85% of GDP which isn't particularly bad at all. The difference is that the EU can get the prime deals with the other large economies worldwide (who are now starting to queue up to do so), something that the UK clearly can't and won't be able to for a long time. What's the UK's debt as a % of GDP? I know but let's see if you know and tell me if it's much better than that of the EU. Debt on it's own is meaningless unless it's shown as a % of GDP. Edited by europalace (13 Jul 2017 7.37pm) The EU is only at 85 percent if you measure it at the EU28. The UK's debt to GDP is at 89.30 percent when last checkied I think. So basically your crowing is ridiculous. The EU is about to lose one of its few strong and net economies.....one that is actually reducing its deficit. Meanwhile the EU is only going one way.....Still, it has fantasists like you to BS about it doesn't it.
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