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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jul 17 4.26pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Lots of callers into the show explainedwhy they are leaving. Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing.
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Hansy 12 Jul 17 4.27pm | |
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I don't agree with low skilled immigration. I just don't agree with the whole concept of having people from the EU migrate with no skills over skilled Commonwealth citizens wanting to live here. If anyone has a skill and they want to make use for it in the UK, why not? As much as people are against colonialism, I still think we should be helping the British people first, and the Commonwealth people a close second. Edited by Hansy (12 Jul 2017 4.28pm)
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Hansy 12 Jul 17 4.28pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing. It's easier to say you're leaving, than actually leave. I have been saying I am leaving my current job for 3 years I am still here though.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 17 5.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Hansy
For me I am happy with free movement if those immigrating have jobs lined up, or actively looking to work in the UK. I discussed my version a few posts up, I don't agree with immigrating and taking advantage of a country's system. Couldn't the laws change in the EU? I mean if they think the UK will change laws, couldn't they after also? Countries within the EU already have the right to curb immigration and put in stringent rules ie. Leave if you haven't got a job within 3 months. It's been a bit of a fallacy that we can only be more stringent with immigration rules if we leave the EU.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jul 17 5.54pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Best reason for leaving is that it means less government - always a good thing. Grenfell Tower.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 12 Jul 17 5.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Hansy
I don't agree with low skilled immigration. I just don't agree with the whole concept of having people from the EU migrate with no skills over skilled Commonwealth citizens wanting to live here. If anyone has a skill and they want to make use for it in the UK, why not? As much as people are against colonialism, I still think we should be helping the British people first, and the Commonwealth people a close second. Edited by Hansy (12 Jul 2017 4.28pm) We won't be helping anyone with this government's attitude towards workers and pay, irrespective of where they were born and to whom (unless they are wealthy to begin with).
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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jul 17 5.57pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Grenfell Tower. It was government that decided to fit cladding just because they thought it looked nice.
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Hansy 12 Jul 17 6.00pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
It was government that decided to fit cladding just because they thought it looked nice. And not the building company that fitted it because it was cheaper and against building regulations.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Jul 17 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Hansy
And not the building company that fitted it because it was cheaper and against building regulations. I don't really know the full details, but didn't the council (government in the sense I am using) agree to cheaper cladding, and although it was less fire retardant, it wasn't illegal? My real point about government in general is that we are over-governed and over-taxed. There are regional governments in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, County Councils, City Mayors and Councils, Town Councils, Parish, UK Parliament, European Parliament. All with expensive buildings and bureaucracies, all with overlapping responsibilities, half the time working against each other and consuming tax payers' money like alcoholics consume whiskey. We should have the least government that we can safely get away with.
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Stirlingsays 12 Jul 17 6.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Hansy
I don't agree with low skilled immigration. I just don't agree with the whole concept of having people from the EU migrate with no skills over skilled Commonwealth citizens wanting to live here. If anyone has a skill and they want to make use for it in the UK, why not? As much as people are against colonialism, I still think we should be helping the British people first, and the Commonwealth people a close second. Edited by Hansy (12 Jul 2017 4.28pm) If someone really wants to become British and they show enough commitment to that cause, there must always be a pathway for that to happen.....So I differ with Japan, for example, on that front. However, like you, I agree that this country...indeed every country, should always put the interests of its own citizens....not just its tax payers, first. I take your point about the Commonwealth...I look at it like this. A country should always first back those that would be willing to enter the trenches for it. The fall of Rome essentially happened because its leaders ultimately forgot this basic reality....that people fight or strive for an ideal....if you erode it you erode society. The fall of the west is eroding along those lines and has done ever since the 'rise' of individualism....if it weren't for the nuclear option the west would have have probably fallen long ago. The 'fair weather' types take their turn in my society.
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Hansy 12 Jul 17 8.48pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I don't really know the full details, but didn't the council (government in the sense I am using) agree to cheaper cladding, and although it was less fire retardant, it wasn't illegal? My real point about government in general is that we are over-governed and over-taxed. There are regional governments in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, County Councils, City Mayors and Councils, Town Councils, Parish, UK Parliament, European Parliament. All with expensive buildings and bureaucracies, all with overlapping responsibilities, half the time working against each other and consuming tax payers' money like alcoholics consume whiskey. We should have the least government that we can safely get away with. It's been like this for years though, it's not just the current government. I don't know the full story, but imo the construction company or maintenance company will have known the cladding is against the regulations, and is not fire proof. Hopefully we will find out the full story with the inquiry. But I doubt we will ever know the true death toll. One of the worst jobs in the world having to count the dead or the remains that are still there. I am going to guess those there illegally might not admit to a certain number of people there also.
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Hansy 12 Jul 17 8.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If someone really wants to become British and they show enough commitment to that cause, there must always be a pathway for that to happen.....So I differ with Japan, for example, on that front. However, like you, I agree that this country...indeed every country, should always put the interests of its own citizens....not just its tax payers, first. I take your point about the Commonwealth...I look at it like this. A country should always first back those that would be willing to enter the trenches for it. The fall of Rome essentially happened because its leaders ultimately forgot this basic reality....that people fight or strive for an ideal....if you erode it you erode society. The fall of the west is eroding along those lines and has done ever since the 'rise' of individualism....if it weren't for the nuclear option the west would have have probably fallen long ago. The 'fair weather' types take their turn in my society.
I am a strong believer in looking after those that have served our country. It isn't their choice to go to war, it is the choice of those that sit on benches. Hearing about soldiers, navy or air force personnel living out on the streets is damn right disrespectful for what they have or would have done for our country. The reason why I believe we need to help those in the commonwealth, is because alot of the countries still have the queen as the head of state or those that have removed her we need to continue to build good relations with. India as an example could be a huge economic powerhouse that the UK can make significant investments in, their infrastructure is absolutely dire, and their compliance is next to nothing. Helping countries like that will increase our global outlook, instead of the European outlook we currently have. For me, Brexit is a really exciting time. Non-EU countries already coming out in support for a trade deal and what the Hungarian Foreign Secretary said in his recent interview about EU and UK trade speaks volumes. Edited by Hansy (12 Jul 2017 8.54pm)
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