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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 23 7.02pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow The allegations of children being raped has been dropped by the Israeli government. The 40 beheaded babies claim has been downscaled to one dead baby, not beheaded, and killed by persons unknown. the Israeli military acknowledge responsibility for some of their own civilian deaths on 7th October. There are now well in excess of 10,000 civilian dead in Palestine, and the Israeli's themselves estimate less than 100 Hamas operatives among this number. Children are dying at a rate of 180 per day in Palestine. Enough is enough. I think you along with many others need to recognise the true reality here. All the time Gaza exists as a Palestinian enclave, then Hamas will exist. While they exist, Israel will be justifiably paranoid about attacks on its citizens. It will also give them an excuse to kill Palestinians and encroach further into Gaza. This is a train with no breaks. Israel will grow like it or not, and the best thing Gazans can do now is leave their homes and set up elsewhere. If the attack on Gaza stops now, the cycle will be happening again in a few years. Hamas has to be destroyed, and a forced resettlement of Gazans looks like the only way to end the endless cycle of slaughter. It might not be fair and just, but it will save lives in the long term, and that is what we all would ultimately hope for.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The allegations of children being raped has been dropped by the Israeli government.

The 40 beheaded babies claim has been downscaled to one dead baby, not beheaded, and killed by persons unknown.

the Israeli military acknowledge responsibility for some of their own civilian deaths on 7th October.

There are now well in excess of 10,000 civilian dead in Palestine, and the Israeli's themselves estimate less than 100 Hamas operatives among this number.

Children are dying at a rate of 180 per day in Palestine.

Enough is enough.

I think you along with many others need to recognise the true reality here.
All the time Gaza exists as a Palestinian enclave, then Hamas will exist. While they exist, Israel will be justifiably paranoid about attacks on its citizens. It will also give them an excuse to kill Palestinians and encroach further into Gaza.

This is a train with no breaks. Israel will grow like it or not, and the best thing Gazans can do now is leave their homes and set up elsewhere.
If the attack on Gaza stops now, the cycle will be happening again in a few years.
Hamas has to be destroyed, and a forced resettlement of Gazans looks like the only way to end the endless cycle of slaughter.

It might not be fair and just, but it will save lives in the long term, and that is what we all would ultimately hope for.

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Glazier#1 10 Nov 23 11.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think you along with many others need to recognise the true reality here. All the time Gaza exists as a Palestinian enclave, then Hamas will exist. While they exist, Israel will be justifiably paranoid about attacks on its citizens. It will also give them an excuse to kill Palestinians and encroach further into Gaza. This is a train with no breaks. Israel will grow like it or not, and the best thing Gazans can do now is leave their homes and set up elsewhere. If the attack on Gaza stops now, the cycle will be happening again in a few years. Hamas has to be destroyed, and a forced resettlement of Gazans looks like the only way to end the endless cycle of slaughter. It might not be fair and just, but it will save lives in the long term, and that is what we all would ultimately hope for. I fear that, in doing so, there's just more hatred and resentment to come from the following generations. I think that is inevitable.
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10 Nov 23 11.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is a train with no breaks. Israel will grow like it or not, and the best thing Gazans can do now is leave their homes and set up elsewhere.
If the attack on Gaza stops now, the cycle will be happening again in a few years.
Hamas has to be destroyed, and a forced resettlement of Gazans looks like the only way to end the endless cycle of slaughter.

It might not be fair and just, but it will save lives in the long term, and that is what we all would ultimately hope for.

I fear that, in doing so, there's just more hatred and resentment to come from the following generations. I think that is inevitable.

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 23 2.36am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think you along with many others need to recognise the true reality here. All the time Gaza exists as a Palestinian enclave, then Hamas will exist. While they exist, Israel will be justifiably paranoid about attacks on its citizens. It will also give them an excuse to kill Palestinians and encroach further into Gaza. This is a train with no breaks. Israel will grow like it or not, and the best thing Gazans can do now is leave their homes and set up elsewhere. If the attack on Gaza stops now, the cycle will be happening again in a few years. Hamas has to be destroyed, and a forced resettlement of Gazans looks like the only way to end the endless cycle of slaughter. It might not be fair and just, but it will save lives in the long term, and that is what we all would ultimately hope for. We will be the Gazans one day. The hatred for us and our history is proportional to who holds power.....and to paraphrase Khan in Scotland....'too many whites'. But any look at primary school demographics show that will be increasingly reducing. It's only ever play nice when outnumbered. But that is of course a generalisation because it's always 'not all'....As my next post will demonstrate. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 2.54am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Nov 23 2.36am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It might not be fair and just, but it will save lives in the long term, and that is what we all would ultimately hope for.

We will be the Gazans one day. The hatred for us and our history is proportional to who holds power.....and to paraphrase Khan in Scotland....'too many whites'.

But any look at primary school demographics show that will be increasingly reducing.

It's only ever play nice when outnumbered. But that is of course a generalisation because it's always 'not all'....As my next post will demonstrate.

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 23 2.48am
I'd vote for Braverman, she's the only Tory in a leadership role that has balls. Yeah, she's not European, indeed she's a Hindu but she's integrated and she doesn't hold animosity for the history and culture of these islands....nor some fantasy belief about utopian melting pots leading to cohesive societies or even safe ones. As a Hindu her future in Britain is on a timer, due to demographics, just as it is for Jews and the people who actually have no dual loyalties to distant lands....apparently the 'far right'....which in modern Guardian speak seems to have descended to mean anyone who isn't globalist. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 10.05am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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I'd vote for Braverman, she's the only Tory in a leadership role that has balls.

Yeah, she's not European, indeed she's a Hindu but she's integrated and she doesn't hold animosity for the history and culture of these islands....nor some fantasy belief about utopian melting pots leading to cohesive societies or even safe ones.

As a Hindu her future in Britain is on a timer, due to demographics, just as it is for Jews and the people who actually have no dual loyalties to distant lands....apparently the 'far right'....which in modern Guardian speak seems to have descended to mean anyone who isn't globalist.

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 11 Nov 23 8.50am
She may be the babe of the "Far Right" but "Far right Tories" are the people who've brought us Brexit - Cameron's "referendum", Johnson and Truss. Greedy, Stupid and What do we do now? Hardly, a successful track record so no more from them please. Edited by Henry of Peckham (11 Nov 2023 8.51am) Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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She may be the babe of the "Far Right" but "Far right Tories" are the people who've brought us Brexit - Cameron's "referendum", Johnson and Truss. Greedy, Stupid and What do we do now? Hardly, a successful track record so no more from them please.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 9.24am
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham She may be the babe of the "Far Right" but "Far right Tories" are the people who've brought us Brexit - Cameron's "referendum", Johnson and Truss. Greedy, Stupid and What do we do now? Hardly, a successful track record so no more from them please. Edited by Henry of Peckham (11 Nov 2023 8.51am) Braverman, and those who think like her, need their voices to be heard. Just as we all do in a democracy. Just not in somewhere like the Tory Party, who need to distance themselves from her asap. She needs to join Reform, or whatever the current Farage model might be, and pontificate there. Having someone like her as our Home Secretary is shameful and casts us in a terrible light elsewhere. I predict she will be hosting her own show on GBNews within 3 months to the joy of several members here who will see her as a saviour. Then she will say something so stupid she will lose her Tory membership and her seat next year. We can but dream. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 11 Nov 23 9.24am

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Edited by Henry of Peckham (11 Nov 2023 8.51am)

Braverman, and those who think like her, need their voices to be heard. Just as we all do in a democracy.

Just not in somewhere like the Tory Party, who need to distance themselves from her asap.

She needs to join Reform, or whatever the current Farage model might be, and pontificate there. Having someone like her as our Home Secretary is shameful and casts us in a terrible light elsewhere.

I predict she will be hosting her own show on GBNews within 3 months to the joy of several members here who will see her as a saviour. Then she will say something so stupid she will lose her Tory membership and her seat next year.

We can but dream.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 23 9.40am
Don't anyone be fooled by some of those who push proportional representation out of some belief that it's a fairer system. It is a fairer system but that's not why some push it. They push it exactly because they want people like Braverman to never have power. What they know is that it results in coalitions between left and right wing groups and that essentially you end up with social liberalism forever.....because essentially the majority of women and minorities vote left.....and enough soy boys and assorted degrees of lunatics join them. Well, until the system economically collapses and then god knows what we get....but it probably won't be very neoliberal. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 9.52am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Nov 23 9.40am

Don't anyone be fooled by some of those who push proportional representation out of some belief that it's a fairer system.

It is a fairer system but that's not why some push it.

They push it exactly because they want people like Braverman to never have power.

What they know is that it results in coalitions between left and right wing groups and that essentially you end up with social liberalism forever.....because essentially the majority of women and minorities vote left.....and enough soy boys and assorted degrees of lunatics join them.

Well, until the system economically collapses and then god knows what we get....but it probably won't be very neoliberal.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 9.52am)

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 23 10.09am
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham She may be the babe of the "Far Right" but "Far right Tories" are the people who've brought us Brexit - Cameron's "referendum", Johnson and Truss. Greedy, Stupid and What do we do now? Hardly, a successful track record so no more from them please. Edited by Henry of Peckham (11 Nov 2023 8.51am) After lockdowns and funding wars you're still going on about Brexit. Germany is heading into recession and you think that the EU is the answer. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Nov 23 10.09am

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Edited by Henry of Peckham (11 Nov 2023 8.51am)

After lockdowns and funding wars you're still going on about Brexit.

Germany is heading into recession and you think that the EU is the answer.

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Glazier#1 11 Nov 23 10.30am
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham She may be the babe of the "Far Right" but "Far right Tories" are the people who've brought us Brexit - Cameron's "referendum", Johnson and Truss. Greedy, Stupid and What do we do now? Hardly, a successful track record so no more from them please. Edited by Henry of Peckham (11 Nov 2023 8.51am) I think that there are those on here that see the abovementioned not as 'far right' at all and would advocate something more rightist.
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11 Nov 23 10.30am

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Edited by Henry of Peckham (11 Nov 2023 8.51am)

I think that there are those on here that see the abovementioned not as 'far right' at all and would advocate something more rightist.

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Glazier#1 11 Nov 23 10.36am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Don't anyone be fooled by some of those who push proportional representation out of some belief that it's a fairer system. It is a fairer system but that's not why some push it. They push it exactly because they want people like Braverman to never have power. What they know is that it results in coalitions between left and right wing groups and that essentially you end up with social liberalism forever.....because essentially the majority of women and minorities vote left.....and enough soy boys and assorted degrees of lunatics join them. Well, until the system economically collapses and then god knows what we get....but it probably won't be very neoliberal. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 9.52am) Ha ha. I highlight this section because it seems to sum you up. I sometimes wonder whether you would advocate returning this country to a state where all Muslims would be sent out of our country. Indeed, I wonder, too, whether a white Britain, like 'the old days' is what you ultimately wish for and whatever it takes to achieve that. I don't see what else would satisfy you. Good luck with that one. If it ever came to pass there would be tears all round and not just from left wing lunatics, as you call them. Edited by Glazier#1 (11 Nov 2023 10.40am) By the way, what is a 'soy boy'? Edited by Glazier#1 (11 Nov 2023 10.41am)
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11 Nov 23 10.36am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Don't anyone be fooled by some of those who push proportional representation out of some belief that it's a fairer system.

It is a fairer system but that's not why some push it.

They push it exactly because they want people like Braverman to never have power.

What they know is that it results in coalitions between left and right wing groups and that essentially you end up with social liberalism forever.....because essentially the majority of women and minorities vote left.....and enough soy boys and assorted degrees of lunatics join them.

Well, until the system economically collapses and then god knows what we get....but it probably won't be very neoliberal.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 9.52am)

Ha ha.

I highlight this section because it seems to sum you up.

I sometimes wonder whether you would advocate returning this country to a state where all Muslims would be sent out of our country. Indeed, I wonder, too, whether a white Britain, like 'the old days' is what you ultimately wish for and whatever it takes to achieve that.

I don't see what else would satisfy you.

Good luck with that one. If it ever came to pass there would be tears all round and not just from left wing lunatics, as you call them.

Edited by Glazier#1 (11 Nov 2023 10.40am)

By the way, what is a 'soy boy'?

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 23 10.52am
Originally posted by Glazier#1 Ha ha. I highlight this section because it seems to sum you up. I sometimes wonder whether you would advocate returning this country to a state where all Muslims would be sent out of our country. Indeed, I wonder, too, whether a white Britain, like 'the old days' is what you ultimately wish for and whatever it takes to achieve that. I don't see what else would satisfy you. Good luck with that one. If it ever came to pass there would be tears all round and not just from left wing lunatics, as you call them. Edited by Glazier#1 (11 Nov 2023 10.40am) By the way, what is a 'soy boy'? Edited by Glazier#1 (11 Nov 2023 10.41am) Again you ask questions yet you ignored them put to you. I'll just treat you in the same way. As for what I want, hell I'd be happy with anything anti globalist at this point. It doesn't even have to be particularly right wing, just not interested in destroying the country. Hell, elect Russell Brand, I like the guy....his heart is in the right place even if he's wrong about certain stuff. As for what I would do.....That's not important, what's important is what has been done and the mess neo and social liberalism has made of this country. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 10.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Nov 23 10.52am

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Ha ha.

I highlight this section because it seems to sum you up.

I don't see what else would satisfy you.

Good luck with that one. If it ever came to pass there would be tears all round and not just from left wing lunatics, as you call them.

Edited by Glazier#1 (11 Nov 2023 10.40am)

By the way, what is a 'soy boy'?

Edited by Glazier#1 (11 Nov 2023 10.41am)

Again you ask questions yet you ignored them put to you. I'll just treat you in the same way.

As for what I want, hell I'd be happy with anything anti globalist at this point. It doesn't even have to be particularly right wing, just not interested in destroying the country.

Hell, elect Russell Brand, I like the guy....his heart is in the right place even if he's wrong about certain stuff.

As for what I would do.....That's not important, what's important is what has been done and the mess neo and social liberalism has made of this country.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Nov 2023 10.58am)

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 23 10.56am
Just in case anyone reads this in time who's forgotten....don't forget the 2 minute silence at 11....a few minutes away. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Nov 23 10.56am

Just in case anyone reads this in time who's forgotten....don't forget the 2 minute silence at 11....a few minutes away.

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