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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Mar 22 8.26am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Omph

Sidestepping inconvenient truths seems a specialty.

Explain what these 'inconvenient truths' are that you have possession of.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Mar 22 9.37am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

"Bulgaria to give Ukraine 14 Su-25 & 16 MiG-29 fighter jets, Poland will give it 28 MiG-29s & Slovakia will give it 12 MiG-29s. More importantly--given Russian missile strikes on military airbases--they can fly missions over Ukraine from Poland"

At the same time a massive 17 mile Russian convoy fast approaching Kyiv. It may be that helps comes too late. Time will tell.

Edited by BlueJay (28 Feb 2022 10.46pm)

Russia can afford to lose men and equipment as they vastly outnumber the defenders. Militarily they maybe useless but eventually they will just overwhelm the Ukrainians whose only hope is that the elites in Russia decide it's in their interests to get rid of Putin.

I hope the Ukrainians can drag it out until this happens.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Mar 2022 9.37am)

 


One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 22 9.58am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Is being English wrong compared to Welsh Scottish or Irish or pakistani or afghani or name it, first? Yes British but English and OK and proud. I would be on the beach if the UK were under attack like Ukraine. That still doesn't alter that I'm English though.

No, and I didn't say that. Everyone who lives in the United Kingdom is British. Just stating a fact.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Mar 22 10.02am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No, and I didn't say that. Everyone who lives in the United Kingdom is British. Just stating a fact.

Living in the UK doesn't make you British.

You need to update your 'facts'.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 22 10.13am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The elites who have been spending their time hyping and traumatizing the population over covid with its 99 percent survival rate now don't want you to worry about being nuked and fried alive by Putin.

Just another day in clown world.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Feb 2022 9.45pm)

That could have come straight out of Gab! Was it copied and pasted? I will correct it for accuracy.

Our elected representatives, following scientific advice have protected the population, and its National Health Service, through a programme of caution and vaccination, from a pandemic that threatened to overwhelm it. Now they do their best to protect us, working as part of an international response, from the aggression of a deranged authoritarian. Maintaining a sense of calm is essential whilst they do that. Panic serves no-one. Only clowns think it does.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 22 10.19am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Living in the UK doesn't make you British.

You need to update your 'facts'.

Pedantic nit-picking. What was meant was clear.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 01 Mar 22 10.23am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Pedantic nit-picking. What was meant was clear.

So am I English or British.
I think both but English first and foremost which obs makes me a racist bigot for having such thoughts or is it just a belief?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Mar 22 10.37am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That could have come straight out of Gab! Was it copied and pasted? I will correct it for accuracy.

Our elected representatives, following scientific advice have protected the population, and its National Health Service, through a programme of caution and vaccination, from a pandemic that threatened to overwhelm it. Now they do their best to protect us, working as part of an international response, from the aggression of a deranged authoritarian. Maintaining a sense of calm is essential whilst they do that. Panic serves no-one. Only clowns think it does.

I won't say much because I don't want to sidetrack the thread away from its focus so I'll just reply with the following.

In my view you formulate language here that defends the irrational under the guise of authority and its establishment systems. My comment was simply an observation of actual real civilisational threat, actual real wipeout and the state's attitude and response in relation to it compared to far lesser ones.

As for commentary on authoritarianism.....Well considering your ideas on compulsion, coercion, censorship, ostracization and the punishing of those who disagree with you let's just say that I can't take your views seriously.

I note that it's often those most frightened of physical force themselves who are the most willing to see others inflict force onto their ideological opposition.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 01 Mar 22 10.39am

Originally posted by Badger11

Russia can afford to lose men and equipment as they vastly outnumber the defenders. Militarily they maybe useless but eventually they will just overwhelm the Ukrainians whose only hope is that the elites in Russia decide it's in their interests to get rid of Putin.

I hope the Ukrainians can drag it out until this happens.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Mar 2022 9.37am)

I fear you are right, Badger. This convey is not a pretty sight in terms of what the conclusion of its presence could be. Help may have come too late, but any eventual occupation scenario will result in those doing so being despised for generations so it may well end up only being a George Bush style 'mission accomplished' rather than the real thing.

Sanctions and military assistance offer at least some push back, but we will have to see how it pans out. No easy answers here at course, because zero pushback would embolden Putin and no doubt lead to serious concerns to even Nato countries, because he's shown that international law is a mere inconvenience to him.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 01 Mar 22 10.39am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No, and I didn't say that. Everyone who lives in the United Kingdom is British. Just stating a fact.

Everyone who lives in the UK is British? I assume you don't mean that literally, just a poor choice of word in using " lives "

I have seen others have raised same point, doesn't make it right though. I don't see nit picking in that you made a clear statement then doubled down by stating it as a fact.

No harm in using the wrong word, just correct it.

Edited by HKOwen (01 Mar 2022 10.42am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Mar 22 10.40am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Pedantic nit-picking. What was meant was clear.

If you wish to invoke 'fact' then I'm afraid accuracy becomes important.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Mar 2022 10.41am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 22 10.44am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So am I English or British.
I think both but English first and foremost which obs makes me a racist bigot for having such thoughts or is it just a belief?

I think you are looking for reasons to get upset. We are both English and British. Neither of us, so far as I am aware, are racist bigots.

This has no place in this thread.

 


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