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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Nov 17 11.18am | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Firstly,I asked you a question because of your Polish connection and I'll again. Legaleagle MOVISZ PO POLSKU? TAk O NIE. The earliest record of a Jew in Poland is in a letter written in 977C.E.from the Pope instructing the king not to be overly friendly to a Jew. The first ghetto in Poland was created in the fourteenth century when Jews from Spain and Western Europe immigrated and asked for a sector of the city where they could live according to their religion and laws. The request was granted by King Kazimierz III. Until the beginning of the seventeenth century, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was tolerant toward the Jews and even invited them to come and settle. The relationship deteriorated as the fortunes of the Commonwealth declined, and there was a massive immigration of Jews from Germany, and later, from Lithuania and Russia. Relations were exacerbated by the Russian czarist policy of discrimination against Jews and stirring up ethnic antagonisms. The first organized anti-semiticpogrom was in 1881. The last one was on 4 July 1946 in Kielce when forty-two Jews were killed. During World War II, the Soviet Union deported people to central Asia and the Nazis operated death camps. Of the more than three million Jews in Poland in 1939, ninety thousand were left by the end of the war. The communist government-sponsored anti-semitic campaign of 1968–1969 drove out most of those who remained. Prior to 1989, the Communist government at times denied the very existence of national minorities in Poland. Edited by Park Road (16 Nov 2017 5.53am) Edited by Park Road (16 Nov 2017 5.53am) You know who the real culprits of racism, anti-Semitism, sectarianism and prejudice in general - the people. Not the politicians, they play a part, or the times, but the people who act on their prejudices against others. The problem of Hitler wasn't his beliefs, but that so many people got behind those beliefs and shared them, acting on them; Hitler never murdered anyone - other people did that for him. Ultimately, its those people who are to blame, the people who act. Who make the choice, whether through convenience, fear or shared interest, to act. its not that one man is evil, but that a nation of people lacked the capacity to be good (to paraphrase Primo Levi, I think).
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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Nov 17 11.28am | |
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Poland - Catholic Country The Catholic Church - Virulently Anti-Semitic for well over a century up to and including WW2. How much the latter's stance had influence on the former is anyone's guess but reading below even if some did have dodgy views only a tiny minority acted upon them. "Statistics of the Israeli War Crimes Commission indicate that less than 0.1% of Polish gentiles collaborated with the Nazis. Examples of Polish gentile attitudes to German atrocities varied widely, from actively risking death in order to save Jewish lives, and passive refusal to inform on them; to indifference, blackmail and in extreme cases, participation in pogroms such as the Jedwabne pogrom. Grouped by nationality, Poles represent the largest number of people who rescued Jews during the Holocaust."
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Mapletree Croydon 16 Nov 17 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
The FLA has repeatedly stated that its against all forms of extremism. While Europe was experiencing religious wars Poland (as a multinational country) also had many conflicts, wars but they were never provoked by religion. The Poles have lost their country and been persecuted as a people up until 1989. People who spout extremist views on this thread is everything we are against. The inability to see past their own blinkered thought process and constantly posting vile invalidations about certain societies without even recognizing any counter arguments are the people society should fear the most. Funnily enough this is the theme of one of my lectures. National mentalities relating to many things, including investment from overseas companies, tend to reflect colonialist history. The Poles were notable for battling against the odds and often suffering mightily as a result. There is still a vestige of that battling spirit in Polish mentality today. Despite being an admirable trait, this can have negative aspects.
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Park Road 16 Nov 17 11.48am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
You know who the real culprits of racism, anti-Semitism, sectarianism and prejudice in general - the people. Not the politicians, they play a part, or the times, but the people who act on their prejudices against others. The problem of Hitler wasn't his beliefs, but that so many people got behind those beliefs and shared them, acting on them; Hitler never murdered anyone - other people did that for him. Ultimately, its those people who are to blame, the people who act. Who make the choice, whether through convenience, fear or shared interest, to act. its not that one man is evil, but that a nation of people lacked the capacity to be good (to paraphrase Primo Levi, I think). Yes, I agree. Maybe real culprits was not a good phrase I should have said one of the many culprits.
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Park Road 16 Nov 17 11.56am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Funnily enough this is the theme of one of my lectures. National mentalities relating to many things, including investment from overseas companies, tend to reflect colonialist history. The Poles were notable for battling against the odds and often suffering mightily as a result. There is still a vestige of that battling spirit in Polish mentality today. Despite being an admirable trait, this can have negative aspects.
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Mapletree Croydon 16 Nov 17 12.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Thank you, yes it is. The other part of it is if you want to know how an inward investor will manage a new acquisition look at the colonial history of the country of origin of the investor. We are all want-to-be Americans, unfortunately we haven't yet learned how to be good Americans but we are under training. If you get bought by the French they will replace everyone in power with a French person. The Brits just want control of the money.
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Rubin 16 Nov 17 1.05pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
my apologies, it was Rubin. Dunno what the rest of your post is about though. What have I supposedly done wrong?
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Park Road 16 Nov 17 2.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Poland - Catholic Country The Catholic Church - Virulently Anti-Semitic for well over a century up to and including WW2. How much the latter's stance had influence on the former is anyone's guess but reading below even if some did have dodgy views only a tiny minority acted upon them. "Statistics of the Israeli War Crimes Commission indicate that less than 0.1% of Polish gentiles collaborated with the Nazis. Examples of Polish gentile attitudes to German atrocities varied widely, from actively risking death in order to save Jewish lives, and passive refusal to inform on them; to indifference, blackmail and in extreme cases, participation in pogroms such as the Jedwabne pogrom. Grouped by nationality, Poles represent the largest number of people who rescued Jews during the Holocaust." This ^^^^^^^^^
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 16 Nov 17 3.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Rubin
What have I supposedly done wrong? Nothing wrong. You mentioned something about Tommy Robinson.
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danny choo choo Hayes 18 Nov 17 11.29pm | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Mr Choo Choo,for some one who feels you are unfairly stigmatised for your association with the FLA, you may want to think twice before doing exactly what you complain about,namely "stigmatise" me as far left.I am as much far left as you personally are a fascist and have (likely) been involved in anti-sulafist jihadi activities somewhat more than you. Or does being anti-fascist just equate to being a dodgy extremist in your world view? I oppose all dodgy extremism,not just sulafist jihadi extremism. As a Jewish person,I find "the lads" dressing up adopting the usual crap racist stereotype representation by far right wingers of what Jews are (in the eyes of bigots) all supposed to look like dodgy.If you and others don't we will have to disagree....its a hoary old load of boll**ks and about as accurate as saying all FLA supporters dress like Adolf Hitler and about as funny as watching an old episode of the Black and White Minstrel show.....The fact they say they are the "Yid Army" doesn't make engaging in dodgy stereotypes ok or "funny" any more than some of the dodgy Palace chanting I've heard on the train from Liverpool St to White Hart Lane. Does it give me sleepless nights? No. If the person I suggested was an anti semite isn't,no problem.If I made an error about him,happy to apologise.Fact is that a bit of research shows that even amongst the Tottenham FLA lads there have been some creepy fascist sympathiser creatures hanging round. So,Tommy's not a racist of any sort? Do look back and read my posting on Sunday about the march in Poland and on Monday about dear Tommy's summary of the event. Here's how a local paper described the "United Against Hate" march in Manchester in June: "Today's...'Unite Against Hate' march, organised by ex-EDL leader, Tommy Robinson, was supposed to be a 'silent' march to "Honour the victims of hate", after the horrific bomb attack in Manchester. Instead... (some) protesters... chanted 'Allah is a paedo' and 'No Surrender', and many gave Hitler salutes." Lovely jubbly.
leagle in reply to the start of your post above the reason im stigmatising you is to show you how you have stigmatised the FLA i dont for one minute think you are happy with these terror attacks as much as i am in all honesty we are probably not that different i do understand your suspicions aswell and worries of the far right wing potentially infiltrating, i really do despise rascism but i do have a problem with a religion that has at its core beliefs of which some are very worrying and disturbing and things that have no place in a modern day western society and the fact you say you are jewish im surprised you dont have the same concerns and yes i know many moderate muslims are good people but i have the same concerns that the hardliners and extremists will dominate in the end unless there is some sort of reform, and believe it or not we actually need people like you on board with us. and as for TR yes its unfortunate that a lot of f***ing idiots latch on to him but i really do believe he has the best intentions for our country at heart and a peacefull future but i will reiterate he is not part of the FLA even if he does agree with what we are trying to do.
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danny choo choo Hayes 21 Nov 17 11.33am | |
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dear Mrs May After the dreadful attack on London bridge you quite rightly identified “The evil ideology of Islamist extremism that preaches hatred and division” we believe this is the main cause of the breakdown of community cohesion in the UK today, if this is dealt with other forms of extremism will lose their raison d’ętre. 5. Action against extremist Islamist preachers
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johnfirewall 21 Nov 17 4.02pm | |
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Sorry to make sweeping generalisations, not about the racist morons who keep me away from FLA, but of the people who join left-wing groups with no compunctions over the subsequent allegiance with anti-semites. And those are the more moderate organisations such as the Labour Party.
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