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Glad All Over Bath 16 Jan 03 12.08pm
Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 10:34am Quote Glad All Over at 16 Jan 2003 9:59am Grow up you silly little boy, before whoever looks after you takes your internet connection away from you. Ooh, did I hit a nerve rich boy? HAHAHAHA! Who's gonna take my internet connection away? The FBI? The CIA? Daddy the Judge? You? HEHE what a clown! By the way Mr anonymous no details, don't call me a silly little boy unless you're prepared to do it to my face like a man, I'm more than happy to set up a meet you in person and ‘discuss’ your opinion of me, if you’ve got the balls, which I very much doubt. You've got a damn big mouth Sado, but that's easy when you live in multicultural Bath away from the real world and all the nasty types and you hide behind anonymity! Gutless Coward! I’ve also got a big mouth, but at least anyone can find a picture of my face with one click of the mouse and all they need to know about me, because I’ve filled out the details section unlike you! If you’re gonna come on here and try and impose your vile and twisted views, at least have the courage of your convictions and fill out your details so we can all see who you really are. Silly little rich boy! Aren't you getting your stereotypes a bit muddled? If I'm a little rich boy, then I should be extreme right wing like you, shouldn't I? I'm interested that you've got a new definition of bravery to add to your other one. So to recap - to be brave is to, a) want other people to drop bombs on innocent people, and, b) post your picture on the internet. Well done - you're very brave big man! As for your threats - as I said before, why don't you grow up. You are just making yourself look even sillier.
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Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 10:34am

Quote Glad All Over at 16 Jan 2003 9:59am

Grow up you silly little boy, before whoever looks after you takes your internet connection away from you.

Ooh, did I hit a nerve rich boy? HAHAHAHA! Who's gonna take my internet connection away? The FBI? The CIA? Daddy the Judge? You? HEHE what a clown! By the way Mr anonymous no details, don't call me a silly little boy unless you're prepared to do it to my face like a man, I'm more than happy to set up a meet you in person and ‘discuss’ your opinion of me, if you’ve got the balls, which I very much doubt. You've got a damn big mouth Sado, but that's easy when you live in multicultural Bath away from the real world and all the nasty types and you hide behind anonymity! Gutless Coward! I’ve also got a big mouth, but at least anyone can find a picture of my face with one click of the mouse and all they need to know about me, because I’ve filled out the details section unlike you! If you’re gonna come on here and try and impose your vile and twisted views, at least have the courage of your convictions and fill out your details so we can all see who you really are. Silly little rich boy!

Aren't you getting your stereotypes a bit muddled? If I'm a little rich boy, then I should be extreme right wing like you, shouldn't I?

I'm interested that you've got a new definition of bravery to add to your other one. So to recap - to be brave is to, a) want other people to drop bombs on innocent people, and, b) post your picture on the internet. Well done - you're very brave big man!

As for your threats - as I said before, why don't you grow up. You are just making yourself look even sillier.

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Petealiator 1066 Country! 16 Jan 03 12.11pm
Quote OknotOK at 16 Jan 2003 11:41am I think that a multi-cultural England means there isn't one culture or perspective I could point to and say that was conclusively "English". I think that it has a massive variety of cultures rather than an individual "native culture". I have the greatest of respect for the mutltitude of cultures that make up England today on the other hand. I also don't happen to want to die defending anything. Therefore I don't fit into your second category either. But yes both my parents and myself were born in England. Do I define myself as English? Probably yes. I also count myself as British as well. And a Londoner on top of that. Do my parents have to have been born in London and/or me be born in London to be able to count myself as a Londoner? My girlfriend's cousin has lived in England since he was six months old. He was born in Cyprus. His parents were born in Cyprus. He counts himself as entirely English. He loves England and follows a variety of the sporting teams around the country. Yet by your definition he can't be English. I also respect other cultures and it's for that reason I want to preserve each and every one, I've said it before, I don't ever want to see a mish mash of cultures all mixed into one, the different cultures all preserved working together is a good thing, it's what makes life's experience rich, but it's a fact that this still is England and it still does have a native English identity and culture, yes, other cultures add to it and enrich it, but they do not replace or diminish it. I find it strange that you wouldn't take up arms against, let's say a newly risen nazi superpower poised to invade Britain, but that's your choice, you'd probably be shot as a traitor (or conscientious objector) in that situation, but again, that's your choice. We're talking nationality here, so your point here is off the mark. Now this point really got me thinking and I must say it's a good point and it has me in a quandary. My brother-in-law (Pat) is Irish, born there, moved to London at the age of two, his parents are both Irish who have since returned to Ireland. Pat is as English as me though, he considers himself English, he supports England over Ireland in any sporting event. This really caught me off guard and I acknowledge a good point. I dunno, maybe my criteria was a little tough, but having said that, Pat loves England, it's been his home for 43 years, he'd certainly defend her, but he weren't born here, you could say that he has duel nationality, either way, he's English. So I will admit that I need to go back to the drawing board on that one, but that's fine, I don't pretend to have all the answers and I'm man enough to admit it and open minded enough to take it on board. My Rocksteady band... [Link] [Link] IT'S NOT SKA, IT'S ROCKSTEADY!
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Quote OknotOK at 16 Jan 2003 11:41am

I think that a multi-cultural England means there isn't one culture or perspective I could point to and say that was conclusively "English". I think that it has a massive variety of cultures rather than an individual "native culture". I have the greatest of respect for the mutltitude of cultures that make up England today on the other hand.

I also don't happen to want to die defending anything. Therefore I don't fit into your second category either.
But yes both my parents and myself were born in England.

Do I define myself as English? Probably yes. I also count myself as British as well. And a Londoner on top of that. Do my parents have to have been born in London and/or me be born in London to be able to count myself as a Londoner?

My girlfriend's cousin has lived in England since he was six months old. He was born in Cyprus. His parents were born in Cyprus. He counts himself as entirely English. He loves England and follows a variety of the sporting teams around the country. Yet by your definition he can't be English.

I also respect other cultures and it's for that reason I want to preserve each and every one, I've said it before, I don't ever want to see a mish mash of cultures all mixed into one, the different cultures all preserved working together is a good thing, it's what makes life's experience rich, but it's a fact that this still is England and it still does have a native English identity and culture, yes, other cultures add to it and enrich it, but they do not replace or diminish it.

I find it strange that you wouldn't take up arms against, let's say a newly risen nazi superpower poised to invade Britain, but that's your choice, you'd probably be shot as a traitor (or conscientious objector) in that situation, but again, that's your choice.

We're talking nationality here, so your point here is off the mark.

Now this point really got me thinking and I must say it's a good point and it has me in a quandary. My brother-in-law (Pat) is Irish, born there, moved to London at the age of two, his parents are both Irish who have since returned to Ireland. Pat is as English as me though, he considers himself English, he supports England over Ireland in any sporting event. This really caught me off guard and I acknowledge a good point. I dunno, maybe my criteria was a little tough, but having said that, Pat loves England, it's been his home for 43 years, he'd certainly defend her, but he weren't born here, you could say that he has duel nationality, either way, he's English. So I will admit that I need to go back to the drawing board on that one, but that's fine, I don't pretend to have all the answers and I'm man enough to admit it and open minded enough to take it on board.

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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 16 Jan 03 12.23pm
Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 12:11pm I also respect other cultures and it's for that reason I want to preserve each and every one, I've said it before, I don't ever want to see a mish mash of cultures all mixed into one, the different cultures all preserved working together is a good thing, it's what makes life's experience rich, but it's a fact that this still is England and it still does have a native English identity and culture, yes, other cultures add to it and enrich it, but they do not replace or diminish it. I find it strange that you wouldn't take up arms against, let's say a newly risen nazi superpower poised to invade Britain, but that's your choice, you'd probably be shot as a traitor (or conscientious objector) in that situation, but again, that's your choice. We're talking nationality here, so your point here is off the mark. Now this point really got me thinking and I must say it's a good point and it has me in a quandary. My brother-in-law (Pat) is Irish, born there, moved to London at the age of two, his parents are both Irish who have since returned to Ireland. Pat is as English as me though, he considers himself English, he supports England over Ireland in any sporting event. This really caught me off guard and I acknowledge a good point. I dunno, maybe my criteria was a little tough, but having said that, Pat loves England, it's been his home for 43 years, he'd certainly defend her, but he weren't born here, you could say that he has duel nationality, either way, he's English. So I will admit that I need to go back to the drawing board on that one, but that's fine, I don't pretend to have all the answers and I'm man enough to admit it and open minded enough to take it on board. Apparently I do have enough time to keep looking on this thread I did some work but got bored! Anyway I think that I probably would take arms against something like a new nazi superpower. But I don't know. Fortunately I am unlikely to ever have to face that dilema. But that doesn't mean I would fight to defend England in every circumstance. Tony Blair says a war with Iraq would be to defend Britain (and therefore I assume England as well). I personally disagree and so wouldn't want to take part. Basically I am saying I would fight someone for something I believed in. Not something that a politician or anybody else told me I should. Obviously I didn't explain my "Englishness is a state of mind" theory very well because we seem to have reached an agreement that it can be achieved through criteria other than birth. It's nice to reach some agreement anyway! As for the cultures, well I suppose we'll have to leave it at that. I don't know whether I agree with an existing english native culture because I think it has been diluted consistently for too long, but you're entitled to believe it is still there. And it may well be easier to see somewhere like Gt Yarmouth than it would be in London (I don't know what the ethnic makeup of Gt Yarmouth is, but I guess it isn't quite the same as London!) "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Cockfosters, London 16 Jan 03 12.23pm

Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 12:11pm

Apparently I do have enough time to keep looking on this thread I did some work but got bored!

Anyway I think that I probably would take arms against something like a new nazi superpower. But I don't know. Fortunately I am unlikely to ever have to face that dilema.

But that doesn't mean I would fight to defend England in every circumstance. Tony Blair says a war with Iraq would be to defend Britain (and therefore I assume England as well). I personally disagree and so wouldn't want to take part.

Basically I am saying I would fight someone for something I believed in. Not something that a politician or anybody else told me I should.

Obviously I didn't explain my "Englishness is a state of mind" theory very well because we seem to have reached an agreement that it can be achieved through criteria other than birth. It's nice to reach some agreement anyway!

As for the cultures, well I suppose we'll have to leave it at that. I don't know whether I agree with an existing english native culture because I think it has been diluted consistently for too long, but you're entitled to believe it is still there. And it may well be easier to see somewhere like Gt Yarmouth than it would be in London (I don't know what the ethnic makeup of Gt Yarmouth is, but I guess it isn't quite the same as London!)

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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streathameagles Streatham - Palace territory 16 Jan 03 12.32pm
Quote Logic at 16 Jan 2003 12:03pm why not make ALL asylum seekers carry out national service for 3 years. The problem with these online debates is that it's sometimes difficult to tell who's earnestly expressing a sincerely-held opinion, and who's totally ripping the piss. I post when I'm pissed I post when I'm piiiiiiiiiised I'm streathameagles I post when I'm pissed
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Quote Logic at 16 Jan 2003 12:03pm

why not make ALL asylum seekers carry out national service for 3 years.

The problem with these online debates is that it's sometimes difficult to tell who's earnestly expressing a sincerely-held opinion, and who's totally ripping the piss.

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Petealiator 1066 Country! 16 Jan 03 12.35pm
Quote Glad All Over at 16 Jan 2003 12:08pm Aren't you getting your stereotypes a bit muddled? If I'm a little rich boy, then I should be extreme right wing like you, shouldn't I? I'm interested that you've got a new definition of bravery to add to your other one. So to recap - to be brave is to, a) want other people to drop bombs on innocent people, and, b) post your picture on the internet. Well done - you're very brave big man! As for your threats - as I said before, why don't you grow up. You are just making yourself look even sillier. You are getting really boring now! First off, you're the one with the pre-conceived ideas and stereotypes, I was just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Right from the start you've made false assumtions, you tagged us all racist a few weeks back. Your assumtions on this thread have been; Patriotic stance = Nazi! Right wing politics = Nazi! Patriotic stance = Thick Idiot! Right wing politics= Moron! My anger has been fuelled by your superior arrogant attitude, in my opinion, your views stink, but your attitude is worse! As for my 'threats', all I did was invite you to call me a 'silly little boy' to my face, man to man as it were, if that makes me look silly in your eyes, fine, but most people on here now see you as a gutless coward. Buck buck! Stop snivelling and blow yer nose and stop acting like a spoiled brat! Slugs, yeah ok mate, I know Bath has some rough areas, I've got a couple of mates that live there actually, although I suspect that GAO don't live in any of them, but I take your point. My aim was to throw back some of the pre-conceived stereotypical attitude he was aiming at me and the people supporting my argument. All this playground stuff does piss me off, but, hey... He started it! I'm joking! My Rocksteady band... [Link] [Link] IT'S NOT SKA, IT'S ROCKSTEADY!
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1066 Country! 16 Jan 03 12.35pm

Quote Glad All Over at 16 Jan 2003 12:08pm

Aren't you getting your stereotypes a bit muddled? If I'm a little rich boy, then I should be extreme right wing like you, shouldn't I?

As for your threats - as I said before, why don't you grow up. You are just making yourself look even sillier.

You are getting really boring now! First off, you're the one with the pre-conceived ideas and stereotypes, I was just giving you a taste of your own medicine. Right from the start you've made false assumtions, you tagged us all racist a few weeks back. Your assumtions on this thread have been;
Patriotic stance = Nazi!
Right wing politics = Nazi!
Patriotic stance = Thick Idiot!
Right wing politics= Moron!

My anger has been fuelled by your superior arrogant attitude, in my opinion, your views stink, but your attitude is worse!

As for my 'threats', all I did was invite you to call me a 'silly little boy' to my face, man to man as it were, if that makes me look silly in your eyes, fine, but most people on here now see you as a gutless coward. Buck buck!
Stop snivelling and blow yer nose and stop acting like a spoiled brat!

Slugs, yeah ok mate, I know Bath has some rough areas, I've got a couple of mates that live there actually, although I suspect that GAO don't live in any of them, but I take your point. My aim was to throw back some of the pre-conceived stereotypical attitude he was aiming at me and the people supporting my argument.

All this playground stuff does piss me off, but, hey... He started it! I'm joking!

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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 16 Jan 03 12.41pm
Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 12:11pm Now this point really got me thinking and I must say it's a good point and it has me in a quandary. My brother-in-law (Pat) is Irish, born there, moved to London at the age of two, his parents are both Irish who have since returned to Ireland. Pat is as English as me though, he considers himself English, he supports England over Ireland in any sporting event. This really caught me off guard and I acknowledge a good point. I dunno, maybe my criteria was a little tough, but having said that, Pat loves England, it's been his home for 43 years, he'd certainly defend her, but he weren't born here, you could say that he has duel nationality, either way, he's English. So I will admit that I need to go back to the drawing board on that one, but that's fine, I don't pretend to have all the answers and I'm man enough to admit it and open minded enough to take it on board. PS I just re-read the post. Like the duel-dual bit! "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 12:11pm

Now this point really got me thinking and I must say it's a good point and it has me in a quandary. My brother-in-law (Pat) is Irish, born there, moved to London at the age of two, his parents are both Irish who have since returned to Ireland. Pat is as English as me though, he considers himself English, he supports England over Ireland in any sporting event. This really caught me off guard and I acknowledge a good point. I dunno, maybe my criteria was a little tough, but having said that, Pat loves England, it's been his home for 43 years, he'd certainly defend her, but he weren't born here, you could say that he has duel nationality, either way, he's English. So I will admit that I need to go back to the drawing board on that one, but that's fine, I don't pretend to have all the answers and I'm man enough to admit it and open minded enough to take it on board.

PS I just re-read the post. Like the duel-dual bit!

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Petealiator 1066 Country! 16 Jan 03 12.46pm
Quote OknotOK at 16 Jan 2003 12:23pm As for the cultures, well I suppose we'll have to leave it at that. I don't know whether I agree with an existing english native culture because I think it has been diluted consistently for too long, but you're entitled to believe it is still there. And it may well be easier to see somewhere like Gt Yarmouth than it would be in London (I don't know what the ethnic makeup of Gt Yarmouth is, but I guess it isn't quite the same as London!) Yeah another good post, it seems we may be reaching some common ground here. I also didn't explain myself properly when I said 'be prepared to die for England', what I meant was 'be prepared to help fight off a military invasion'. Your point about Gt Yarmouth is also a good one, but in my opinion it adds weight to mine. You see people of the big cities of Britain live a very different life to the rest of us, your opinions are clouded a little by your current experience. Out here in the wilds of Norfolk, the English way of life has remained pretty much preserved and unchanged for hundreds of years, although Yarmouth itself is absolutely swamped to the point of bursting with Albanian asylum seekers. My Rocksteady band... [Link] [Link] IT'S NOT SKA, IT'S ROCKSTEADY!
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Quote OknotOK at 16 Jan 2003 12:23pm

Yeah another good post, it seems we may be reaching some common ground here. I also didn't explain myself properly when I said 'be prepared to die for England', what I meant was 'be prepared to help fight off a military invasion'.
Your point about Gt Yarmouth is also a good one, but in my opinion it adds weight to mine. You see people of the big cities of Britain live a very different life to the rest of us, your opinions are clouded a little by your current experience. Out here in the wilds of Norfolk, the English way of life has remained pretty much preserved and unchanged for hundreds of years, although Yarmouth itself is absolutely swamped to the point of bursting with Albanian asylum seekers.

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Petealiator 1066 Country! 16 Jan 03 12.52pm
Quote OknotOK at 16 Jan 2003 12:41pm PS I just re-read the post. Like the duel-dual bit! Bloody eagle-eyed git! You should be a proof reader! I meant Dual, damn your eyes to Hell! My Rocksteady band... [Link] [Link] IT'S NOT SKA, IT'S ROCKSTEADY!
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Quote OknotOK at 16 Jan 2003 12:41pm

PS I just re-read the post. Like the duel-dual bit!

Bloody eagle-eyed git! You should be a proof reader! I meant Dual, damn your eyes to Hell!

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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 16 Jan 03 12.57pm
Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 12:46pm Yeah another good post, it seems we may be reaching some common ground here. I also didn't explain myself properly when I said 'be prepared to die for England', what I meant was 'be prepared to help fight off a military invasion'. Your point about Gt Yarmouth is also a good one, but in my opinion it adds weight to mine. You see people of the big cities of Britain live a very different life to the rest of us, your opinions are clouded a little by your current experience. Out here in the wilds of Norfolk, the English way of life has remained pretty much preserved and unchanged for hundreds of years, although Yarmouth itself is absolutely swamped to the point of bursting with Albanian asylum seekers. My perspective is almost certainly polluted because though I haven't always lived in London, I have always lived in cities or fairly large towns (Coventry, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Blackpool, Luton, Croydon, and London ... and counting with York while I was at Uni as well) and though maybe York might have something approaching the attitude and outlook that I guess Great Yarmouth would, nowhere else really would. And I actually thought you meant the duel joke! I thought you meant he had duel nationality because he was willing to fight for England! You should have kept quiet! "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Quote Petealiator at 16 Jan 2003 12:46pm

My perspective is almost certainly polluted because though I haven't always lived in London, I have always lived in cities or fairly large towns (Coventry, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Blackpool, Luton, Croydon, and London ... and counting with York while I was at Uni as well) and though maybe York might have something approaching the attitude and outlook that I guess Great Yarmouth would, nowhere else really would.

And I actually thought you meant the duel joke! I thought you meant he had duel nationality because he was willing to fight for England! You should have kept quiet!

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Barry Dalston - London 16 Jan 03 1.58pm
Quote streathameagles at 16 Jan 2003 12:32pm Quote Logic at 16 Jan 2003 12:03pm why not make ALL asylum seekers carry out national service for 3 years. The problem with these online debates is that it's sometimes difficult to tell who's earnestly expressing a sincerely-held opinion, and who's totally ripping the piss. I am being deadly serious. Why not make them do a type of National Service? if not that why not make them work in areas that are understaffed eg. Hospitals etc. Make them earn there benefits. I think that a lot of bogus people come to this country thinking that it is a free ride, by introducing a National Service it would reduce the amount of these people.
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Quote streathameagles at 16 Jan 2003 12:32pm

Quote Logic at 16 Jan 2003 12:03pm

why not make ALL asylum seekers carry out national service for 3 years.

The problem with these online debates is that it's sometimes difficult to tell who's earnestly expressing a sincerely-held opinion, and who's totally ripping the piss.

I am being deadly serious. Why not make them do a type of National Service? if not that why not make them work in areas that are understaffed eg. Hospitals etc. Make them earn there benefits.

I think that a lot of bogus people come to this country thinking that it is a free ride, by introducing a National Service it would reduce the amount of these people.

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Asylum seekers actually have a far harder time of it here, and get far less benefits, than in most other European countries... and yet they still think it's a free ride here. Why would national service change that? Or do you just want to have an excuse to send them all to Iraq...? face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality - Theodor Adorno
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Girls just wanna have Funt 16 Jan 03 2.25pm

Asylum seekers actually have a far harder time of it here, and get far less benefits, than in most other European countries... and yet they still think it's a free ride here. Why would national service change that? Or do you just want to have an excuse to send them all to Iraq...?

face up to your share of the blame you filthy terrorist sympathiser - Petealiator 8/7/2005
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Petealiator 1066 Country! 16 Jan 03 2.35pm
Quote OknotOK at 16 Jan 2003 12:57pm I actually thought you meant the duel joke! I thought you meant he had duel nationality because he was willing to fight for England! You should have kept quiet! DAMN! My Rocksteady band... [Link] [Link] IT'S NOT SKA, IT'S ROCKSTEADY!
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Quote OknotOK at 16 Jan 2003 12:57pm

I actually thought you meant the duel joke! I thought you meant he had duel nationality because he was willing to fight for England! You should have kept quiet!

DAMN!

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