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npn Crowborough 26 Nov 04 2.06pm
A fair point (and to be honest, knowing very little about Angie Stone, and absolutely nothing about the commedienne, I couldn't confirm or deny the hairstyles of either), but we, as a society, do tend to judge these things differently depending on which foot the boot is on, so to speak. If it were a white fella being interviewed, and it could be construed in a dodgy way, they'd be a lot more careful, I'm sure you'll agree. Just a point - not judging, just asking the question.
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npn

Crowborough 26 Nov 04 2.06pm

A fair point (and to be honest, knowing very little about Angie Stone, and absolutely nothing about the commedienne, I couldn't confirm or deny the hairstyles of either), but we, as a society, do tend to judge these things differently depending on which foot the boot is on, so to speak.

If it were a white fella being interviewed, and it could be construed in a dodgy way, they'd be a lot more careful, I'm sure you'll agree.

Just a point - not judging, just asking the question.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 Nov 04 2.34pm
Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'. Like everything else now, double standards...... Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 26 Nov 04 2.34pm

Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'.

Like everything else now, double standards......

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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saxoneagle Bromley 26 Nov 04 2.40pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'. Like everything else now, double standards...... And how about we have MOWO awards...
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Bromley 26 Nov 04 2.40pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm

Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'.

Like everything else now, double standards......

And how about we have MOWO awards...

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rach_cpfc South Croydon 26 Nov 04 4.41pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'. Like everything else now, double standards...... Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it? "....They will soar on wings like EAGLES; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."
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rach_cpfc

South Croydon 26 Nov 04 4.41pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm

Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'.

Like everything else now, double standards......

Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it?

"....They will soar on wings like EAGLES; they will run and not grow
weary, they will walk and not be faint."

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gambler Kent 26 Nov 04 5.05pm
Quote rach_d_cpfc at 26 Nov 2004 4:41pm Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'. Like everything else now, double standards...... Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it? The Daily Mail. What a high quality newspaper. I have plenty of time at work to read all the papers every day, and that is surely the one full of the most crap.
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Kent 26 Nov 04 5.05pm

Quote rach_d_cpfc at 26 Nov 2004 4:41pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm

Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'.

Like everything else now, double standards......

Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it?

The Daily Mail. What a high quality newspaper. I have plenty of time at work to read all the papers every day, and that is surely the one full of the most crap.

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tetley Wimbledon 26 Nov 04 6.38pm
Quote saxoneagle at 26 Nov 2004 2:40pm And how about we have MOWO awards... wouldn't be much of a showpiece though would it. classsical music, bit of the old folk stuff and a smattering of the music morris dancers strut their stuff to! It's not the fall that's important.....it's the landing All Nature is but Art, unknown to thee; All Chance, Direction, which thou canst not see; All Discord, Harmony, not understood; All partial Evil, universal Good [Link]
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tetley

Wimbledon 26 Nov 04 6.38pm

Quote saxoneagle at 26 Nov 2004 2:40pm

And how about we have MOWO awards...

wouldn't be much of a showpiece though would it. classsical music, bit of the old folk stuff and a smattering of the music morris dancers strut their stuff to!

It's not the fall that's important.....it's the landing
All Nature is but Art, unknown to thee;
All Chance, Direction, which thou canst not see;
All Discord, Harmony, not understood;
All partial Evil, universal Good

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 Nov 04 7.45pm
Quote rach_d_cpfc at 26 Nov 2004 4:41pm Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'. Like everything else now, double standards...... Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it? It doesn't call itself a 'white' newspaper on its masthead. The Voice is a self proclaimed 'black' newspaper and is therefore inherently racist, using the criteria that many here are so keen to apply. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 26 Nov 04 7.45pm

Quote rach_d_cpfc at 26 Nov 2004 4:41pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm

Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'.

Like everything else now, double standards......

Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it?

It doesn't call itself a 'white' newspaper on its masthead. The Voice is a self proclaimed 'black' newspaper and is therefore inherently racist, using the criteria that many here are so keen to apply.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 Nov 04 7.46pm
Quote tetley at 26 Nov 2004 6:38pm Quote saxoneagle at 26 Nov 2004 2:40pm And how about we have MOWO awards... wouldn't be much of a showpiece though would it. classsical music, bit of the old folk stuff and a smattering of the music morris dancers strut their stuff to! You obviously don't listen to much music, then.... Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 26 Nov 04 7.46pm

Quote tetley at 26 Nov 2004 6:38pm

Quote saxoneagle at 26 Nov 2004 2:40pm

And how about we have MOWO awards...

wouldn't be much of a showpiece though would it. classsical music, bit of the old folk stuff and a smattering of the music morris dancers strut their stuff to!

You obviously don't listen to much music, then....

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Seth On a pale blue dot 26 Nov 04 10.46pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 7:45pm Quote rach_d_cpfc at 26 Nov 2004 4:41pm Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'. Like everything else now, double standards...... Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it? It doesn't call itself a 'white' newspaper on its masthead. The Voice is a self proclaimed 'black' newspaper and is therefore inherently racist, using the criteria that many here are so keen to apply. No-one here said that using the word 'black' was inherently racist. It's the context it's used in which defines it. For instance: "You black bstard IS racist, whereas "I'll have a black coffee" isn't. If a newspaper whose sales are aimed at the black community wants to describe itself as a "black" paper, what does it matter? Why feel so threatened and defensive? Why not be secure in your own identity without having to feel antagonistic to others? Why feel the need to aim animosity at those who don't fit your view of who belongs in this country and who doesn't? We are all decendents of immigrants after all. "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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On a pale blue dot 26 Nov 04 10.46pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 7:45pm

Quote rach_d_cpfc at 26 Nov 2004 4:41pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm

Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'.

Like everything else now, double standards......

Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it?

No-one here said that using the word 'black' was inherently racist. It's the context it's used in which defines it. For instance: "You black b*stard* IS racist, whereas "I'll have a black coffee" isn't.

If a newspaper whose sales are aimed at the black community wants to describe itself as a "black" paper, what does it matter? Why feel so threatened and defensive? Why not be secure in your own identity without having to feel antagonistic to others? Why feel the need to aim animosity at those who don't fit your view of who belongs in this country and who doesn't? We are all decendents of immigrants after all.

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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matthau South Croydon 27 Nov 04 3.36am
I thought the idea was that we all say we're the same and if thats so, which is pretty bloody obvious, and thats what we're working towards in our modern society, to eradicate racism, sexism, homophobia etc by educating and learning off each other etc. doesnt this mean that having a 'black' paper mean a backwards step?? its not a racist issue, no, but its a step in the wrong direction of what i feel modern society is trying to acheive. the question you gotta answer too is if a paper would to blatantly sell itself as a white persons paper and advertise the fact, wouldnt be deemed as wrong and unnecessary? nevermind the racism issue.
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South Croydon 27 Nov 04 3.36am

I thought the idea was that we all say we're the same and if thats so, which is pretty bloody obvious, and thats what we're working towards in our modern society, to eradicate racism, sexism, homophobia etc by educating and learning off each other etc. doesnt this mean that having a 'black' paper mean a backwards step??

its not a racist issue, no, but its a step in the wrong direction of what i feel modern society is trying to acheive.

the question you gotta answer too is if a paper would to blatantly sell itself as a white persons paper and advertise the fact, wouldnt be deemed as wrong and unnecessary? nevermind the racism issue.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Nov 04 12.19pm
Quote Seth at 26 Nov 2004 10:46pm Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 7:45pm Quote rach_d_cpfc at 26 Nov 2004 4:41pm Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'. Like everything else now, double standards...... Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it? It doesn't call itself a 'white' newspaper on its masthead. The Voice is a self proclaimed 'black' newspaper and is therefore inherently racist, using the criteria that many here are so keen to apply. No-one here said that using the word 'black' was inherently racist. It's the context it's used in which defines it. For instance: "You black bstard IS racist, whereas "I'll have a black coffee" isn't. If a newspaper whose sales are aimed at the black community wants to describe itself as a "black" paper, what does it matter? Why feel so threatened and defensive? Why not be secure in your own identity without having to feel antagonistic to others? Why feel the need to aim animosity at those who don't fit your view of who belongs in this country and who doesn't? We are all decendents of immigrants after all. You're missing the point. If a newspaper styled itself as aimed towards white people, and openly proclaimed it to be so, would it be allowed to do that? You know what the answer to that is. And please don't misinterpret my comments as being defensive - read what I've said very carefully before making ridiculous comments. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 27 Nov 04 12.19pm

Quote Seth at 26 Nov 2004 10:46pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 7:45pm

Quote rach_d_cpfc at 26 Nov 2004 4:41pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 26 Nov 2004 2:34pm

Talking of newspapers, what about The Voice which calls itself 'Britain's Black Newspaper'. Try launching a paper and calling it 'white'.

Like everything else now, double standards......

Daily Mail's already cornered that particular market hasn't it?

You're missing the point. If a newspaper styled itself as aimed towards white people, and openly proclaimed it to be so, would it be allowed to do that? You know what the answer to that is. And please don't misinterpret my comments as being defensive - read what I've said very carefully before making ridiculous comments.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Seth On a pale blue dot 27 Nov 04 1.12pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 27 Nov 2004 12:19pm You're missing the point. If a newspaper styled itself as aimed towards white people, and openly proclaimed it to be so, would it be allowed to do that? You know what the answer to that is. And please don't misinterpret my comments as being defensive - read what I've said very carefully before making ridiculous comments. There are plenty of publications aimed at white people which openly proclaim it (without trying very hard, I found a group on the net called "White Nationalist Party" whose web address also has the word "white" in it) - all extreme right-wing groups have their own journals or newsletters. I don't think it's worth getting worked up about a paper or organisation calling itself "white" or "black", there's a lot worse things published than that! Whether I misinterpreted your remarks or not, I percieve many of them as defensive and coming from a position of feeling threatened by some imagined "takeover" of our country by Muslims, which I just do not see in my everyday life. I live in an area with a large Muslim community and don't feel in any way threatened by their "encroachment". 99.9% of Muslims are honest, hard-working, family-oriented people. Describing my comments as "ridiculous" is pointless - it's a subjective term. I might think many of your remarks are ridiculous, but saying so would serve no purpose other than to lower the standard of debate to one of an exchange of insults. And if I wanted one of those, I'd move to the Come & Have a Go forum! "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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Seth

On a pale blue dot 27 Nov 04 1.12pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 27 Nov 2004 12:19pm

There are plenty of publications aimed at white people which openly proclaim it (without trying very hard, I found a group on the net called "White Nationalist Party" whose web address also has the word "white" in it) - all extreme right-wing groups have their own journals or newsletters. I don't think it's worth getting worked up about a paper or organisation calling itself "white" or "black", there's a lot worse things published than that!

Whether I misinterpreted your remarks or not, I percieve many of them as defensive and coming from a position of feeling threatened by some imagined "takeover" of our country by Muslims, which I just do not see in my everyday life. I live in an area with a large Muslim community and don't feel in any way threatened by their "encroachment". 99.9% of Muslims are honest, hard-working, family-oriented people.

Describing my comments as "ridiculous" is pointless - it's a subjective term. I might think many of your remarks are ridiculous, but saying so would serve no purpose other than to lower the standard of debate to one of an exchange of insults. And if I wanted one of those, I'd move to the Come & Have a Go forum!

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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