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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 24 9.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This is completely twisted logic. Being born in France won’t make you French unless one of your parents are French. You can become French at 13 if you have lived there since birth. In other words been exposed to and accepted the culture. No DNA involved. I am English not because I was born here. I have British citizenship because of that. I am English because I grew up here with English parents, went to school here and learned to appreciate our culture and heritage. I didn’t even know my grandmother was born in France until a few years ago. No DNA involved. I am 100% English. My DNA, like yours, has no bearing on it. It’s how I feel. Not how you, or anyone else, feels about me. So if you are born here but don't have English or British parent(s), you can't be British or English? Thank you for confirming. You are a quarter French. Accept it. It is a fact. I don't have a problem accepting my genetic heritage. That's because I accept reality.
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Teddy Eagle 15 Jun 24 9.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Carbon based life forms tend not to be restricted to specific regions so would not add a lot of understanding. European is about as far as you can go with this. Whereas Icelanders and Italians are indistinguishable.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 9.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
What started all this is this post by Wisbech. "There is no such thing as an English nationality. It doesn’t exist. We are all British citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain comprising the countries of England, Scotland and Wales. Nothing other than culture makes you English, Scottish or Welsh. Every one of them is a British national" English ethnicity like Scottish, Welsh & Irish runs deeper than culture, England being an island nation largely left alone for thousands of years leads to unique genetic mutations within its population a classic case study in this are the Sherpas of the Himalayas, their isolation & exposure to higher altitudes gives them traits exclusive to them See below courtesy of Google AI Himalayan people unique genetics mtDNA Sub-Haplogroups Studies have identified two common mtDNA sub-haplogroups unique to Sherpa populations: Haplogroup A15c1 and Haplogroup C4a3b1. These haplogroups are thought to have originated from East Asian populations and have been shaped by natural selection to adapt to high-altitude environments. Genetic Adaptations The Himalayan people have developed several genetic adaptations to cope with the low oxygen levels at high altitudes. These adaptations include: Unique Hemoglobin-Binding Capacity: The Himalayan people have a higher affinity for hemoglobin, which allows them to extract more oxygen from the air at high altitudes. Research has also shown that the Himalayan region was colonized by East Asians of likely high-altitude origin, followed by millennia of genetic continuity. This genetic continuity has allowed the Himalayan people to maintain their unique genetic characteristics over time. Recent Tibetan Ancestry A study published in 2015 found genetic evidence of a recent Tibetan ancestry to Sherpas in the Himalayan region. This suggests that the Sherpa people have a recent genetic connection to the Tibetan plateau, which has contributed to their unique genetic characteristics. Conclusion The Himalayan people’s unique genetics have evolved to enable them to thrive in high-altitude environments. Their mtDNA sub-haplogroups, genetic adaptations, and genetic continuity have all contributed to their exceptional ability to adapt to these challenging environments. Further research is needed to fully understand the complexities of the Himalayan people’s genetics and how they have evolved to inhabit this unique region. Ethnicity is exclusionary & there is nothing wrong with that. This will only be true of a closed society with no interbreeding from invading peoples, settlers or travellers returning with new families. Hardly true of the English who have been invaded, settled and travelled extensively.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 9.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Whereas Icelanders and Italians are indistinguishable. Culturally hugely, of course. Otherwise, not necessarily and certainly not relevantly.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 9.37pm | |
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Sherpas and altitude Italians and wheat the Irish and Cows milk Eskimo & heat conservation. Ethiopians & heat loss. We are all the product of a few thousand years of evolution. Trouble is, like the Panda bears, when you change their environment there is often trouble. Some tribal populations of natural athletes suffer with dire Obesity when they left the Mountains and joined the modern World. Many American Indians got destroyed by alcohol when the white man first invaded their territory. the English ?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 9.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So if you are born here but don't have English or British parent(s), you can't be British or English? Thank you for confirming. You are a quarter French. Accept it. It is a fact. I don't have a problem accepting my genetic heritage. That's because I accept reality. No, that’s the legal position in France as I understand it. Not the emotional one. Only the emotional one has any relevance to the situation in the UK. I am 100% English. If by your twisted logic I am a quarter French, what is King Charles? Will you start advocating for his abdication and begin the search for his replacement with someone with pure English DNA, after first determining what that is exactly? How far back will you go and why?
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Teddy Eagle 15 Jun 24 9.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Culturally hugely, of course. Otherwise, not necessarily and certainly not relevantly. Sure.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 24 9.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This will only be true of a closed society with no interbreeding from invading peoples, settlers or travellers returning with new families. Hardly true of the English who have been invaded, settled and travelled extensively. No, not extensively or much at all for 1600 years. That bares no comparison to what we are experiencing now. We have been invaded, but the effect on our genetic make up can be seen by anyone with a laptop or phone to be limited. The Romans, Vikings, Normans only made a tiny change. The Germanic tribes, your Saxons, Jutes, Angles etc has a bigger effect, back around 400 AD. Their genes represent about 25% to 45% of the modern population. There has been virtually no change since then. In rural England, if one carries any significant amount of genes beyond original English/Western European, they are most likely to be Scottish or Irish. Needless to say, we are now seeing big changes in the large cities because of the absurd amount of immigration in the last 30 years. I know you will have to use the phrase, ahem, The Great Replacement Theory'. You can't help it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 9.44pm | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
You can't be. I'm British, but not English. So, if you were born in England then you are English. You are British only because you are born within the (old) commonwealth like I was, & very fiercely proud of it. So, what is your ethnicity? Admit your being, not what your peers tell you. Be loud, be what you are. Can you understand that? Not hard is it. Or . . . Edited by eagleman13 (15 Jun 2024 6.03pm) I am British because that’s what it says on my passport. All UK citizens are, whether they also regard themselves as English, Welsh, Scots or Northern Irish.
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Teddy Eagle 15 Jun 24 9.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am British because that’s what it says on my passport. All UK citizens are, whether they also regard themselves as English, Welsh, Scots or Northern Irish. Or Cornish.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 10.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No, not extensively or much at all for 1600 years. That bares no comparison to what we are experiencing now. We have been invaded, but the effect on our genetic make up can be seen by anyone with a laptop or phone to be limited. The Romans, Vikings, Normans only made a tiny change. The Germanic tribes, your Saxons, Jutes, Angles etc has a bigger effect, back around 400 AD. Their genes represent about 25% to 45% of the modern population. There has been virtually no change since then. In rural England, if one carries any significant amount of genes beyond original English/Western European, they are most likely to be Scottish or Irish. Needless to say, we are now seeing big changes in the large cities because of the absurd amount of immigration in the last 30 years. I know you will have to use the phrase, ahem, The Great Replacement Theory'. You can't help it. You confirm exactly what I have been saying. Trying to nuance it because of scale or timing doesn’t change the facts. The gene pool has changed constantly and in recent centuries probably faster than in the past. Seeking to determine what constitutes being English by genetics is nonsensical. The only way is individually, by how people feel. Not by other people imposing their own standards on them. It’s not a legal matter, determined by Parliament. We are legally British. Being English is about emotional connections. You can think of me as 1/4 French until the cows come home. It doesn’t make the slightest difference to how I feel or my legal status.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 10.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Or Cornish. I am not sure whether having a “protected identity” really qualifies but some would no doubt think so, and if it makes them happy, why not?
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