No-one can expect to compete On equal terms when promoted to the Prem, and the do not. Look at the 3 promoted teams this year; Luton and Sheffield haven't gone Out and spent the world, Burnley have spent more(I think) but apparently not outside their means. 3 clubs which can be classed as 'small->medium' sized, who knew their limits, and accepted that unless you are a club that bounces straight back up, you have no chance of having the financial clout to compete, but still have a chance to stay in the division.
that's the Reality of promotion to the Prem; It's really hard to get up and stay up at the first attempt. A year or 4 of yo-yo-ing should be the expectation, building on each relegation and riches a year in the PL brings.
Forest went for it, spend spend spend (at a time that no one had ever really been punished for FFP offences) and they stayed in the division because of it. They knew they broke the rules, and are now moaning at the punishment.
I do not view it as unfair - it's just the reality.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

I take your point but they are continuing to overspend. It’s a two fingere salute to the PL from their owner imo
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They deliberately flouted the rules and stayed up as a result. Furthermore, as is stated elsewhere, by keeping Johnson till the end of the window, Forest benefited from having him for some league games this season.

IMO, therefore, they got off lightly.

One way to deal with appeals is to adopt the PL approach to red card appeals, where the appeal is seen as spurious. If the club lose the appeal they should get docked an extra point or two.

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Whilst there is a part of me that is happy about the point deductions, as we benefit, there is another part which does not like FFP.

Despite them dressing it up as protecting clubs and their communities the real reason behind it is the self interests of the large clubs and protecting the status quo. They have already had Manchester City and Chelsea gate crash their party and what would happen if a Palace or Ipswich could outspend them and do the same.

Businesses often have to invest to grow, sometimes making massive losses, it is a strategy that can have many pitfalls and result in failure, but if that's what the owners choose to do then so be it. Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal just want to preserve their 'right' at the top of the pecking order and maintain a closed shop for their own greed.

Do I want us to spend like mad and risk everything, then the answer is no. However, should we be punished for trying to compete, then the answer is no as well

You've more or less re-stated the point that John Textor made recently.

FFP benefits the ' big clubs ' because the smaller one's, even if they have investors/owners ready and willing to spend their own money, are constrained by the current rules.

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They have not been let off. The panel has yet to adjudicate.

Reckon about a year as there are 100s offences. However, I would be surprised if Man City stayed the dominant force after the decision is made. The new legislation could both give the FA teeth and ensure they don't bottle it/get turned by the vast £££.

BTW Man City are facing FFP charges. Everton and Forest are up against breach of accounting rules. Different regime.