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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 21 Oct 23 11.54am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The elites once had slaves to make them wealthier, and now they use low paid migrants to fill the gap. ....IN THE context of an unworking underclass. Can't work, won't work. Both British and 'imported'. Even the Romans never had that. And their civilisation fell apart. As will ours when the Financial Markets have finished their job. Compare & Contrast hard-working China to Western Europe. Either the elderly demographic time-bomb of Italy. Or the gigantic Ghettos called 'Les Banlieus' in France....awash with a parallel society that contribute nothing and cost the taxpayer a fortune. You will lose an economic War just before you lose any kind of a military War. Decadence always comes just before a fall. our puppet Politicians have already done the damage. The next hundred years will be very painful. Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Oct 2023 12.07pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger  21 Oct 23 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
....IN THE context of an unworking underclass. Can't work, won't work. Both British and 'imported'. Even the Romans never had that. And their civilisation fell apart. As will ours when the Financial Markets have finished their job. Compare & Contrast hard-working China to Western Europe. Either the elderly demographic time-bomb of Italy. Or the gigantic Ghettos called 'Les Banlieus' in France....awash with a parallel society that contribute nothing and cost the taxpayer a fortune. You will lose an economic War just before you lose any kind of a military War. Decadence always comes just before a fall. our puppet Politicians have already done the damage. The next hundred years will be very painful. Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Oct 2023 12.07pm) They had slaves. They had to work or run away. Rome fell largely because forces within aided its downfall. That is the comparison that we should have heeded.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Oct 23 5.17pm |
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Starmer is getting pelters from his own party members and the media. Labour voters will no doubt say this is all about the Tory press, however we are at most a year away from a General Election. It's time for Labour and Starmer to come off the fence I think it's right that they are challenged on their policies so the voters know what they are about.
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beak  croydon 29 Oct 23 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Starmer is getting pelters from his own party members and the media. Labour voters will no doubt say this is all about the Tory press, however we are at most a year away from a General Election. It's time for Labour and Starmer to come off the fence I think it's right that they are challenged on their policies so the voters know what they are about.
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| Matov 29 Oct 23 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by beak
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 29 Oct 23 7.09pm |
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Originally posted by beak
Yup I agree however people challenging Labour over this is just the start. In the nest few weeks the Tory's have a budget and Starmer will be asked a lot more about what Labour plans are than just the usual Tory's are rubbish and out of touch.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 29 Oct 23 10.49pm |
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Originally posted by beak
Blunt is the Conservative answer to Keith Vaz
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 30 Oct 23 7.40am |
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For those who think I slavishly follow the Mail and never criticise it. Andrew Pierce should know better. When I did my politics A level back in the seventies we were told Hansard is not a verbatim record of what is said in Parliament but more a summary. After a debate MPs are free to go to the recorders and correct mistakes in other words Pierce is complaining about this as if its something new it's not. The main reason why MPs were reluctant to broadcast Parliament by radio and TV was that they knew their gaffs would become public, That said it's always funny seeing how thick some MPs are so thank god for Parliament TV.
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| Matov 31 Dec 23 12.49pm |
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So here we are, on the cusp of what could prove to be a momentous year in politics. What do we all reckon? May or November election? Seen chatter around both.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 31 Dec 23 1.06pm |
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Jim Callaghan faced the same problem. His government wasn't popular so did he hang on to the grim death or go 6 months earlier. He chose to hang on and things got worse and he lost. My guess is that Sunak will go earlier: By May things should be improving with the economy and Hunt will have issued a (giveaway!) budget. The Tories will then claim that everything is rosy for the future and it will be too soon to know if they are lying. If he waits until Autumn the voters will feel the impact of the budget (not a giveaway) we will have had a year of almost endless election talk and I suspect the voters will be fed up just wanting to get it over with. See Brenda from Bristol "You’re joking? Not another one!” It is a risk going early as you may lose and gift an economy on the up to the opposition. However it is a greater risk to go later and lose because people are just fed up up with the media electioneering.
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| Matov 31 Dec 23 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Jim Callaghan faced the same problem. His government wasn't popular so did he hang on to the grim death or go 6 months earlier. He chose to hang on and things got worse and he lost. My guess is that Sunak will go earlier: By May things should be improving with the economy and Hunt will have issued a (giveaway!) budget. The Tories will then claim that everything is rosy for the future and it will be too soon to know if they are lying. If he waits until Autumn the voters will feel the impact of the budget (not a giveaway) we will have had a year of almost endless election talk and I suspect the voters will be fed up just wanting to get it over with. See Brenda from Bristol "You’re joking? Not another one!” It is a risk going early as you may lose and gift an economy on the up to the opposition. However it is a greater risk to go later and lose because people are just fed up up with the media electioneering. Makes sense. Plus you have the election before the invasion on the south coast ramps up again. But I also suspect a lot of Tory MP's might want to drag out the pay-cheques. I would tend to reckon it at 65-35 for May over November.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 31 Dec 23 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Makes sense. Plus you have the election before the invasion on the south coast ramps up again. But I also suspect a lot of Tory MP's might want to drag out the pay-cheques. I would tend to reckon it at 65-35 for May over November. Yup
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