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Putitout Oxford 30 Aug 23 9.38am
Originally posted by maddog I remember when we only had one decent player. Now we have a whole team but you are complaining that it’s only one team. I remember when we were in the 3rd division South, what’s that got to do with now? We have a decent first 13/14 that’s it I’m grateful, but to get through 38 premier league fixtures and hopefully have a cup run we can’t play that 13/14 constantly , and our squad is so thin we would have to . Since we have been in the Premier, we have always had more than one decent player, this is the best side we have had ,but taken across the 19/20 players a premier squad needs we are not where we should be. Ask Roy Hodgson. It’s as much an observation as a moan.
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Oxford 30 Aug 23 9.38am

Originally posted by maddog

I remember when we only had one decent player. Now we have a whole team but you are complaining that it’s only one team.

I remember when we were in the 3rd division South, what’s that got to do with now?
We have a decent first 13/14 that’s it I’m grateful, but to get through 38 premier league fixtures and hopefully have a cup run we can’t play that 13/14 constantly , and our squad is so thin we would have to . Since we have been in the Premier, we have always had more than one decent player, this is the best side we have had ,but taken across the 19/20 players a premier squad needs we are not where we should be. Ask Roy Hodgson. It’s as much an observation as a moan.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Aug 23 9.39am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was at the game at the end were scored. I can confirm many of the comments. We started well and for 5 mins knocked it around as if it was training. They didn’t have a touch until they broke away got in a cross and we were behind. We couldn’t handle crosses all evening. Tomkins was misjudging them, Johnson missing them, Mitchell allowing them. The team then looked as though they had not met one another, let alone not played together. Individually there are some ok players there who could plug a gap from time to time but together would not stand a chance in the PL. I hoped that halftime would sort it out but within a minute we were 2 down to a great strike. Then we made the changes and everything was different. Eze has rightly been credited but Ayew also deserves praise. They could not cope with him either. The Plymouth defence crumbled as Eze, Ayew and Schlupp ran at them they backed off. All 4 goals were assists by those 3. Mateta looked awful up to then, unable to hold up the ball and passing to no one. When fed balls into channels to run on to, he was totally different. What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear. The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen. I notice you've started a separate thread for the two Wisbech and not that it will alleviate your fears but I would have guessed they were two prominent, key players being 'rested' for this fixture. I think the concern behind their omission would also be the reasoning as they are pivotal for us and would be prioritised for PL fitness. Only speculative from me of course but would have been my first guess. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Aug 23 9.39am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I was at the game at the end were scored. I can confirm many of the comments. We started well and for 5 mins knocked it around as if it was training. They didn’t have a touch until they broke away got in a cross and we were behind. We couldn’t handle crosses all evening. Tomkins was misjudging them, Johnson missing them, Mitchell allowing them.

The team then looked as though they had not met one another, let alone not played together. Individually there are some ok players there who could plug a gap from time to time but together would not stand a chance in the PL.

I hoped that halftime would sort it out but within a minute we were 2 down to a great strike. Then we made the changes and everything was different. Eze has rightly been credited but Ayew also deserves praise. They could not cope with him either. The Plymouth defence crumbled as Eze, Ayew and Schlupp ran at them they backed off. All 4 goals were assists by those 3. Mateta looked awful up to then, unable to hold up the ball and passing to no one. When fed balls into channels to run on to, he was totally different.

What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear.

The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen.

I notice you've started a separate thread for the two Wisbech and not that it will alleviate your fears but I would have guessed they were two prominent, key players being 'rested' for this fixture.

I think the concern behind their omission would also be the reasoning as they are pivotal for us and would be prioritised for PL fitness. Only speculative from me of course but would have been my first guess.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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YT Oxford 30 Aug 23 9.44am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was at the game at the end were scored. I can confirm many of the comments. We started well and for 5 mins knocked it around as if it was training. They didn’t have a touch until they broke away got in a cross and we were behind. We couldn’t handle crosses all evening. Tomkins was misjudging them, Johnson missing them, Mitchell allowing them. The team then looked as though they had not met one another, let alone not played together. Individually there are some ok players there who could plug a gap from time to time but together would not stand a chance in the PL. I hoped that halftime would sort it out but within a minute we were 2 down to a great strike. Then we made the changes and everything was different. Eze has rightly been credited but Ayew also deserves praise. They could not cope with him either. The Plymouth defence crumbled as Eze, Ayew and Schlupp ran at them they backed off. All 4 goals were assists by those 3. Mateta looked awful up to then, unable to hold up the ball and passing to no one. When fed balls into channels to run on to, he was totally different. What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear. The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen. Thanks for a great summary. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 30 Aug 23 9.44am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear.

The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen.

Thanks for a great summary.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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silvertop Portishead 30 Aug 23 9.49am
Originally posted by grumpymort It shows nothing. Riedwald was give a proper chance once and he looked good but Roy didn't like the way the player was so made him change style to suit him and look how that has worked out (Roy didn't fancy him from the start it was very clear) The other two are young inexperienced. Championship teams can be tough people think they will always be push overs and as I said before you switch out the whole team for people who don't really play expecting them to perform. Edited by grumpymort (30 Aug 2023 8.35am) I take your point about a lack of game time, to an extent, but I disagree that it shows nothing. Sadly, it seems to endorse Hodgson's apparent view that his starting XI are the only players able to keep us in comfortable mid table as things stand. Of the subbed players, Riedewald we know well, but it is Rak Saki and Ahamada that bother me. On the pitch and we are facing an ignominious loss. Take them off and we are 9-0 up inside 10 seconds. It is the instant nature of the improvement that Hodgson can show to the management and say I told you so. I am very happy with the result and especially for the hat trick goal machine that is Mateta. We were playing a tough Championship side at their manor who wanted the scalp and had plenty of possession and opportunity to take it but we just finished better. However, the negative must be the manifest lack of depth in our squad perhaps highlighted by the subs. It is much better than it was (just look at the bench when we first came up) but we need more and better, at least to tide us over until the academy dividend pays out in a few years.
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silvertop

Portishead 30 Aug 23 9.49am

Originally posted by grumpymort

It shows nothing.

Riedwald was give a proper chance once and he looked good but Roy didn't like the way the player was so made him change style to suit him and look how that has worked out (Roy didn't fancy him from the start it was very clear)

The other two are young inexperienced.

Championship teams can be tough people think they will always be push overs and as I said before you switch out the whole team for people who don't really play expecting them to perform.

Edited by grumpymort (30 Aug 2023 8.35am)

I take your point about a lack of game time, to an extent, but I disagree that it shows nothing. Sadly, it seems to endorse Hodgson's apparent view that his starting XI are the only players able to keep us in comfortable mid table as things stand.

Of the subbed players, Riedewald we know well, but it is Rak Saki and Ahamada that bother me. On the pitch and we are facing an ignominious loss. Take them off and we are 9-0 up inside 10 seconds. It is the instant nature of the improvement that Hodgson can show to the management and say I told you so.

I am very happy with the result and especially for the hat trick goal machine that is Mateta. We were playing a tough Championship side at their manor who wanted the scalp and had plenty of possession and opportunity to take it but we just finished better. However, the negative must be the manifest lack of depth in our squad perhaps highlighted by the subs. It is much better than it was (just look at the bench when we first came up) but we need more and better, at least to tide us over until the academy dividend pays out in a few years.

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silvertop Portishead 30 Aug 23 9.51am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I notice you've started a separate thread for the two Wisbech and not that it will alleviate your fears but I would have guessed they were two prominent, key players being 'rested' for this fixture. I think the concern behind their omission would also be the reasoning as they are pivotal for us and would be prioritised for PL fitness. Only speculative from me of course but would have been my first guess. Lordy, I hope so!
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Portishead 30 Aug 23 9.51am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I notice you've started a separate thread for the two Wisbech and not that it will alleviate your fears but I would have guessed they were two prominent, key players being 'rested' for this fixture.

Lordy, I hope so!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Aug 23 10.23am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 I notice you've started a separate thread for the two Wisbech and not that it will alleviate your fears but I would have guessed they were two prominent, key players being 'rested' for this fixture. I think the concern behind their omission would also be the reasoning as they are pivotal for us and would be prioritised for PL fitness. Only speculative from me of course but would have been my first guess. Obviously I hope you are right but as they were the only two who started against Brentford who weren’t there my suspicions have been raised. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 30 Aug 23 10.23am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I notice you've started a separate thread for the two Wisbech and not that it will alleviate your fears but I would have guessed they were two prominent, key players being 'rested' for this fixture.

Obviously I hope you are right but as they were the only two who started against Brentford who weren’t there my suspicions have been raised.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 30 Aug 23 11.02am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was at the game at the end were scored. I can confirm many of the comments. We started well and for 5 mins knocked it around as if it was training. They didn’t have a touch until they broke away got in a cross and we were behind. We couldn’t handle crosses all evening. Tomkins was misjudging them, Johnson missing them, Mitchell allowing them. The team then looked as though they had not met one another, let alone not played together. Individually there are some ok players there who could plug a gap from time to time but together would not stand a chance in the PL. I hoped that halftime would sort it out but within a minute we were 2 down to a great strike. Then we made the changes and everything was different. Eze has rightly been credited but Ayew also deserves praise. They could not cope with him either. The Plymouth defence crumbled as Eze, Ayew and Schlupp ran at them they backed off. All 4 goals were assists by those 3. Mateta looked awful up to then, unable to hold up the ball and passing to no one. When fed balls into channels to run on to, he was totally different. What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear. The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen. Good summary. Let's hope Roy takes this home from last night. Changes can happen but need to be balanced for the formation. Starting midfield looked weak in going forward and not sure why Mateta and Edouard started up front. This and the FA Cup are the best chance for some silverware. Let's hope for a bit more strength and balance for the next round. Edited by Booted Eagle (30 Aug 2023 11.03am) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 30 Aug 23 11.02am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The team then looked as though they had not met one another, let alone not played together. Individually there are some ok players there who could plug a gap from time to time but together would not stand a chance in the PL.

What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear.

The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen.

Good summary. Let's hope Roy takes this home from last night. Changes can happen but need to be balanced for the formation. Starting midfield looked weak in going forward and not sure why Mateta and Edouard started up front. This and the FA Cup are the best chance for some silverware. Let's hope for a bit more strength and balance for the next round.

Edited by Booted Eagle (30 Aug 2023 11.03am)

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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palace99 New Mills 30 Aug 23 12.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was at the game at the end were scored. I can confirm many of the comments. We started well and for 5 mins knocked it around as if it was training. They didn’t have a touch until they broke away got in a cross and we were behind. We couldn’t handle crosses all evening. Tomkins was misjudging them, Johnson missing them, Mitchell allowing them. The team then looked as though they had not met one another, let alone not played together. Individually there are some ok players there who could plug a gap from time to time but together would not stand a chance in the PL. I hoped that halftime would sort it out but within a minute we were 2 down to a great strike. Then we made the changes and everything was different. Eze has rightly been credited but Ayew also deserves praise. They could not cope with him either. The Plymouth defence crumbled as Eze, Ayew and Schlupp ran at them they backed off. All 4 goals were assists by those 3. Mateta looked awful up to then, unable to hold up the ball and passing to no one. When fed balls into channels to run on to, he was totally different. What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear. The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen. great summary thanks. Agree squad is paper thin, but we have to remember that Plymouth made 9 changes so it was not as if we were facing a top championship team. With Schlupp struggling on the left how did OE perform in that position? Has done ok there previously - so wonder if that might be an option for Sunday. Also Richards at CB. Thoughts? Haven't been convinced by Tomkins for a couple of seasons now, so was surprised he got a new deal.
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New Mills 30 Aug 23 12.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear.

The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen.

great summary thanks.

Agree squad is paper thin, but we have to remember that Plymouth made 9 changes so it was not as if we were facing a top championship team.

With Schlupp struggling on the left how did OE perform in that position?

Has done ok there previously - so wonder if that might be an option for Sunday.

Also Richards at CB. Thoughts? Haven't been convinced by Tomkins for a couple of seasons now, so was surprised he got a new deal.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Aug 23 1.01pm
For those worrying about Andersen - felt he needed a rest. I also think Doucoure has been carrying a slight knock. Both could have played if we'd needed it but better to rest. However, on the flip side, if someone has offered 65+ for Doucoure or 45+ mil for Andersen - we'll probably be taking it. We also will not replace Doucoure, as we have Lerma and Hughes, possible Reidewald or Schlupp at a push, but if we sell Andersen, then I'm expecting a replacement. Holding presumably. I'm not saying definitely happening but just the noise on the wind of ifs and buts. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Aug 23 1.01pm

For those worrying about Andersen - felt he needed a rest. I also think Doucoure has been carrying a slight knock. Both could have played if we'd needed it but better to rest.
However, on the flip side, if someone has offered 65+ for Doucoure or 45+ mil for Andersen - we'll probably be taking it. We also will not replace Doucoure, as we have Lerma and Hughes, possible Reidewald or Schlupp at a push, but if we sell Andersen, then I'm expecting a replacement. Holding presumably.
I'm not saying definitely happening but just the noise on the wind of ifs and buts.

Red and Blue Army!

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MrRobbo Chaldon 30 Aug 23 2.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I was at the game at the end were scored. I can confirm many of the comments. We started well and for 5 mins knocked it around as if it was training. They didn’t have a touch until they broke away got in a cross and we were behind. We couldn’t handle crosses all evening. Tomkins was misjudging them, Johnson missing them, Mitchell allowing them. The team then looked as though they had not met one another, let alone not played together. Individually there are some ok players there who could plug a gap from time to time but together would not stand a chance in the PL. I hoped that halftime would sort it out but within a minute we were 2 down to a great strike. Then we made the changes and everything was different. Eze has rightly been credited but Ayew also deserves praise. They could not cope with him either. The Plymouth defence crumbled as Eze, Ayew and Schlupp ran at them they backed off. All 4 goals were assists by those 3. Mateta looked awful up to then, unable to hold up the ball and passing to no one. When fed balls into channels to run on to, he was totally different. What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear. The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen. Nice summary. Always 100x better to understand when are you are at a game, highlights show nothing. To be fair I think we have all seen what we probably all know. Our squad isnt great, and Roy start who he starts because of that. Eze is instrumental to us Our strikers (despite a lot of people hating on them) can score given the opportunity. 2 of JPMs strikes were corkers. That's not a guy who cant score
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Chaldon 30 Aug 23 2.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What looked like being a painful night turned into a fun one. It’s not often you see 4 second half goals smashed in under your nose at an away ground! But the need to strengthen was clear.

The thing that concerned me most was the absence of Doucoure and Andersen.

Nice summary. Always 100x better to understand when are you are at a game, highlights show nothing.

To be fair I think we have all seen what we probably all know.

Our squad isnt great, and Roy start who he starts because of that.

Eze is instrumental to us

Our strikers (despite a lot of people hating on them) can score given the opportunity. 2 of JPMs strikes were corkers. That's not a guy who cant score

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Davepalace707 Northumberland 30 Aug 23 3.29pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo Nice summary. Always 100x better to understand when are you are at a game, highlights show nothing. To be fair I think we have all seen what we probably all know. Our squad isnt great, and Roy start who he starts because of that. Eze is instrumental to us Our strikers (despite a lot of people hating on them) can score given the opportunity. 2 of JPMs strikes were corkers. That's not a guy who cant score It’s a guy who can score against Plymouth reserves. He was given space and time which you don’t get in the Prem. Have a look at the Brentford Highlights and his total lack of movement when the Ayew cross /shot comes in near the end of the game. That’s the Mateta I wouldn’t miss if he went.
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Northumberland 30 Aug 23 3.29pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Nice summary. Always 100x better to understand when are you are at a game, highlights show nothing.

To be fair I think we have all seen what we probably all know.

Our squad isnt great, and Roy start who he starts because of that.

Eze is instrumental to us

Our strikers (despite a lot of people hating on them) can score given the opportunity. 2 of JPMs strikes were corkers. That's not a guy who cant score

It’s a guy who can score against Plymouth reserves. He was given space and time which you don’t get in the Prem. Have a look at the Brentford Highlights and his total lack of movement when the Ayew cross /shot comes in near the end of the game. That’s the Mateta I wouldn’t miss if he went.

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Palace in the Blood 30 Aug 23 3.40pm
Originally posted by palace99 great summary thanks. Agree squad is paper thin, but we have to remember that Plymouth made 9 changes so it was not as if we were facing a top championship team. With Schlupp struggling on the left how did OE perform in that position? Has done ok there previously - so wonder if that might be an option for Sunday. Also Richards at CB. Thoughts? Haven't been convinced by Tomkins for a couple of seasons now, so was surprised he got a new deal. I think this is why we are looking at Holding and Tomkins may go out on loan or move into a more coaching capacity
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