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 Slimey Toad  Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 21 May 22 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Surely you are making my point, not opposing it? No, you can't suddenly adopt a totally different lifestyle, but the key word is SUDDENLY, not "can't". You can, with aspiration and determination, do just that and many people do. So yes, during your childhood you can be inculcated with certain beliefs but, hard as it may be, you can move away from them. I'm not saying that's easy to do, but it is possible. You could conceivably no longer be gay. I know that may offend some people but you could stop living a 'gay lifestyle' and date the opposite sex exclusively. The real problematic issue with Islam in my opinion is that is has been intertwined with ethnicity. I live in the most secular society in the 'muslim world', yet even the young people who couldn't give a s*** about going to the mosque call themselves muslims. How many non-believers in the West still call themselves Christian? Not many I fancy.
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Teddy Eagle  21 May 22 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
His biggest crime was expressing his views in a country where those views are considered abhorrent. Social media was simply the medium he chose to do it. Using it wasn't a crime. It was rank stupidity. Any footballer who expresses support for a homophobic act over social media must be aware that he is lighting the blue touchpaper, or else he is very, very stupid indeed. Since Senegal is 95% Muslim he might have thought the consequences he, or his family, might face at home more serious than some on-line criticism in Britain.
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sydtheeagle  England 21 May 22 7.57pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Since Senegal is 95% Muslim he might have thought the consequences he, or his family, might face at home more serious than some on-line criticism in Britain. ...is the wrong answer, surely? All he had to do was say nothing at all and I seriously doubt that in Senegal, you are punished for saying nothing at all. He CHOSE to get involved. There was absolutely no reason for him to do so.
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| Teddy Eagle 21 May 22 8.20pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
...is the wrong answer, surely? All he had to do was say nothing at all and I seriously doubt that in Senegal, you are punished for saying nothing at all. He CHOSE to get involved. There was absolutely no reason for him to do so. Maybe supporting his mate is more important to him than appeasing people he doesn't know.
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| YT Oxford 22 May 22 7.32am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Maybe supporting his mate is more important to him than appeasing people he doesn't know. Absolutely. Imagine if someone like sydtheeagle had your back in a crisis!
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| YT Oxford 22 May 22 7.38am |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
You could conceivably no longer be gay. I know that may offend some people but you could stop living a 'gay lifestyle' and date the opposite sex exclusively. The real problematic issue with Islam in my opinion is that is has been intertwined with ethnicity. I live in the most secular society in the 'muslim world', yet even the young people who couldn't give a s*** about going to the mosque call themselves muslims. How many non-believers in the West still call themselves Christian? Not many I fancy. This emphasises what a good job Islam - supported by political correctness and therefore the media - has done of perpetuating the dark ages. 'The West' got over the idea of God-fearing religion long ago.
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| Midlands Eagle 22 May 22 8.11am |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
You could conceivably no longer be gay. I know that may offend some people but you could stop living a 'gay lifestyle' and date the opposite sex exclusively. I certainly don't find your comment offensive but I do find it rather daft
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| sydtheeagle England 22 May 22 9.43am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I certainly don't find your comment offensive but I do find it rather daft Amen to that. Perhaps we're owed an explanation as to how it's possible to become "no longer gay". Actually, the more I think about it, the comment is not only daft but actually quite offensive, too.
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taylors lovechild  22 May 22 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I keep reading this from progressives. Not really freedom of speech then is it? You can say what you like but you’ll be prosecuted. Of course there should be boundaries, such as real hate and not the modern version of being offended, and of course threats and actual violence. To be punished for what you believe isn’t freedom in any way you could argue. He’s shown support for a player and some want his contract negotiations cancelled. Utterly stupid. Would you lose Olise, Eze and Zaha as well in one go and get relegated because they supported their pal? Get a grip. Really. This is football not Chakrabiti’s FC human rights virtue signalling movement. My point wasn't about legal consequence, it was about the fact that if you choose to use your freedom of speech that might end up with other consequences like losing your job, being attacked by those using their own right to freedom of speech, loss of sponsorship deals, etc. It would be an odd world if you could just say whatever you liked and no-one was allowed to respond. As sydtheeagle so eloquently put, the UK also does not have absolute freedom of speech, although in this instance I don't think any laws have been broken. I would also say that when it come to freedom of speech even the biggest advocates draw the line somewhere; in fact many libertarians are against talking about LBTQ+ issues in schools and constantly complain about BLM being given a platform to speak. I would argue that what many really want is the freedom to say what they want, but don't want to hear from those who oppose their beliefs. The big problem with freedom of speech is that not everyone has the same platform so there is a power imbalance. In this case Kouyate is in a position of influence as a PL footballer and so he would be naïve to think there would be no consequence to his actions. As a well paid employee of Crystal Palace what he does and says outside the club in a public forum reflects on the club. He's not a 17-year-old, he's a grown man. He may be fortunate that Vieira kicked someone, as that may take the spotlight off of him. Personally I don't believe in organised religion at all, but I support the right of people to follow their religious beliefs providing they don't infringe on anyone else. I live in a country where abortion is illegal but I support the right of Catholics to follow their beliefs; however, I also publicly oppose the ban on abortion as I am pro-choice. The two might seem contradictory, but as Fitzgerald said, the ability to hold two seemingly contradictory ideas inside your head at the same time is a sign of a first rate intelligence
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 May 22 11.35am |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Err, Islam is a choice. Being gay isn't. The position you adopt with regard to each doesn't require any compromise. Islam is a choice? Really not from my experience living in pakistan and try telling the Afghans that! Yes I suppose they have a choice, follow Islam or be killed. Nice choice Edited by Spiderman (22 May 2022 11.36am)
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thai-eagle  chiang mai 22 May 22 12.50pm |
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..in all this, is Kouyate in trouble or not?
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| Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 22 May 22 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Amen to that. Perhaps we're owed an explanation as to how it's possible to become "no longer gay". Actually, the more I think about it, the comment is not only daft but actually quite offensive, too. Read my post fully. I was comparing your idea that being a Muslim is changeable, but gay isn't. Of course it is ridiculous but so is your idea of Islam. Atheist Muslims still consider themselves Muslims. How does that work if it's just a belief? And a bit flippant, but Tom Robinson who was the power pop spokesperson for gay rights. Decided to ' settle down' and have kids with a woman. Edited by Slimey Toad (22 May 2022 1.13pm)
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