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Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 22 4.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your personal experience of the system clearly gives you a much better understanding of the difficulties we face than many on here. Tackling the people smugglers at source always seemed the answer to me, but the more I know, the harder that actually seems, as there are so many of them, using a great variety of routes. Do you think this new scheme has any chance of success, or is, as I suspect, just a political gesture? If not, is there anything else, practically, that you think we can do? Personally I do not think it will go ahead simply as there will be to much opposition to it. I do not think it is just a political gesture I honestly believe Priti Patel wants to tackle this problem. Not sure what else can be done, without the traffickers many would not arrive, so the obvious solution is to try to tackle the traffickers. Don’t forget traffickers are operating all over the world and it is basically organised crime, look at the Vietnamese who died a couple of years ago.
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Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 22 4.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd
Cant really have a debate with you as we don't even agree on the basics of reality. So I will explain where I stand, because my entire philosophy is polar to yours, but I will explain it in much detail as I can... Immigration is good All immigration, legal and illegal? Do you believe that migrants should be vetted before being allowed in?
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Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 22 4.10pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Johnson described Rwanda as one of the safest countries in the world and said the plan was an “innovative approach, driven by our shared humanitarian impulse”. Really then why does the UK grant asylum to refugees fleeing from Rwanda? 'UK condemns Rwanda for human rights abuses' two months ago. Interested to know how many Rwandans have been granted asylum, do you have a source? There is a difference between claiming asylum and being granted asylum . Edited by Spiderman (15 Apr 2022 4.12pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Apr 22 4.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Unfortunately it does not work as smoothly as that. Anyone arriving who claims to be Rwandan, will not be sent there until their case has been considered. TBF if one does have a genuine case for asylum, they should not be sent back to the country where their life is in danger. Those who are not Rwandan, On being returned to Rwanda, will then claim they are from elsewhere, the HO then have to obtain documentation from that Government before removing them, this process, if successful takes years. All of these problems will evaporate when nations get serious about this problem. The whole process needs to be much more efficient and smart.
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Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 22 4.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All of these problems will evaporate when nations get serious about this problem. The whole process needs to be much more efficient and smart. Indeed, it needs to be tackled globally but unfortunately trafficking is a multi million pound business and I suspect many governments turn a blind eye to it in exchange for brown envelopes.
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Matov 15 Apr 22 4.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All of these problems will evaporate when nations get serious about this problem.
This current proposal is all froth. The institutions in the UK simply will not do what their political masters tell them to do anyway and every obstacle will be put in the way, giving the Tories an excuse to hold their hands up and say that at least we tried. What we have witnessed since 2011 has been deliberate and top-led. None of this is accidental. Edited by Matov (15 Apr 2022 4.20pm)
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Apr 22 4.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
This current proposal is all froth. The institutions in the UK simply will not do what their political masters tell them to do anyway and every obstacle will be put in the way, giving the Tories an excuse to hold their hands up and say that at least we tried. What we have witnessed since 2011 has been deliberate and top-led. None of this is accidental. Edited by Matov (15 Apr 2022 4.20pm)
One can only conclude that those at the top of the pyramid are happy to destroy nation states and dilute the European races out of existence.
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steeleye20 Croydon 15 Apr 22 4.35pm | |
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UK condemning Rwanda July 2021:- A statement by the UK’s international ambassador for human rights Rita French in July 2021 expressed “regret” that Rwanda was not conducting “transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of human rights violations including deaths in custody and torture”. She added: “We were disappointed that Rwanda did not support the UK recommendation to screen, identify and provide support to trafficking victims, including those held in government transit centres.” Number from Rwanda:- UK to send asylum seekers to Rwanda despite granting the past decade, with 69 given asylum or humanitarian protection between 2011 and 2021.
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steeleye20 Croydon 15 Apr 22 4.43pm | |
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Rwanda looks a cool smart place. But I wouldn't want to disagree with anyone in a bar. Happy Easter.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Apr 22 4.49pm | |
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Is the scheme open to everyone?
Red and Blue Army! |
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Spiderman Horsham 15 Apr 22 5.04pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
UK condemning Rwanda July 2021:- A statement by the UK’s international ambassador for human rights Rita French in July 2021 expressed “regret” that Rwanda was not conducting “transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of human rights violations including deaths in custody and torture”. She added: “We were disappointed that Rwanda did not support the UK recommendation to screen, identify and provide support to trafficking victims, including those held in government transit centres.” Number from Rwanda:- UK to send asylum seekers to Rwanda despite granting the past decade, with 69 given asylum or humanitarian protection between 2011 and 2021. 69 in 10 years! Not that much of a problem then. As previously stated were they actually Rwandans or masquerading as Rwandans? Bet your source hasn’t thought about that. Edited by Spiderman (15 Apr 2022 5.06pm)
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steeleye20 Croydon 15 Apr 22 5.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
69 in 10 years! Not that much of a problem then. As previously stated were they actually Rwandans or masquerading as Rwandans? Bet your source hasn’t thought about that. Edited by Spiderman (15 Apr 2022 5.06pm) 'See you in court' as they say.
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