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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 11 Apr 22 8.36pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, and they very rarely (if ever) reflect the will of the people on issues that they or those around them personally benefit from. If anything that's why they just love us obsessing over social issues. Squabbling while they make bank regardless.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 8.31pm)



The people elect them.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Apr 22 8.53pm

Originally posted by georgenorman



The people elect them.

It doesn't really matter as "they very rarely reflect the will of the people on issues that they or those around them personally benefit from".

We know this to be true. It can be seen and witnessed to be true.

There will be occasional exceptions when public outrage becomes focused enough, but even that is often eventually moved along. The more it benefits them, the less they are inclined to make change.

We see it with government contracts (more akin to a free money feeding frenzy), the lot really. They never lose out, they never miss out. That's for us.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 8.56pm)

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

It doesn't really matter as "they very rarely reflect the will of the people on issues that they or those around them personally benefit from".

We know this to be true. It can be seen and witnessed to be true.

There will be occasional exceptions when public outrage becomes focused enough, but even that is often eventually moved along. The more it benefits them, the less they are inclined to make change.

We see it with government contracts (more akin to a free money feeding frenzy), the lot really. They never lose out, they never miss out. That's for us.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 8.56pm)

Well, form a political party that addresses what you see as the issues and get the people to elect you so that you can "reflect the will of the people".

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Apr 22 9.09pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Well, form a political party that addresses what you see as the issues and get the people to elect you so that you can "reflect the will of the people".

Realistically with how the voting system works, it's a two horse race and has been for a long time.

I'm just saying that with political parties it's not a matter of the voter waving a magic wand and their wishes come true. We know with issues like immigration and the like that what the voter may want, for the longest time may have sh!t all relation to what happens (due to who it benefits). The exact same with the housing market. And it also happens with financial rules, government contracts etc. It's part of the system that benefits rich individuals and corporations over ordinary people.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 9.12pm)

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Apr 22 9.15pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It doesn't really matter as "they very rarely reflect the will of the people on issues that they or those around them personally benefit from".

We know this to be true. It can be seen and witnessed to be true.

There will be occasional exceptions when public outrage becomes focused enough, but even that is often eventually moved along. The more it benefits them, the less they are inclined to make change.

We see it with government contracts (more akin to a free money feeding frenzy), the lot really. They never lose out, they never miss out. That's for us.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 8.56pm)

It's the old fool all the people line.
Just that in hmg,s case it's you can't please all the people etc.
It appears though that if like me, I don't really care what she did as it is legal I'm somehow weird or a boris loving t*** head.
I m not but being a tory I will find more right that wrong in hmg and their actions. Also this is turning into a left right thread and left think it's the worst thing ever and the right don't!

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Realistically with how the voting system works, it's a two horse race and has been for a long time.

I'm just saying that with political parties it's not a matter of the voter waving a magic wand and their wishes come true. We know with issues like immigration and the like that what the voter may want, for the longest time may have sh!t all relation to what happens (due to who it benefits). The exact same with the housing market. And it also happens with financial rules, government contracts etc. It's part of the system that benefits rich individuals and corporations over ordinary people.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 9.12pm)

So what's your solution?

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Apr 22 9.17pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Realistically with how the voting system works, it's a two horse race and has been for a long time.

I'm just saying that with political parties it's not a matter of the voter waving a magic wand and their wishes come true. We know with issues like immigration and the like that what the voter may want, for the longest time may have sh!t all relation to what happens (due to who it benefits). The exact same with the housing market. And it also happens with financial rules, government contracts etc. It's part of the system that benefits rich individuals and corporations over ordinary people.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 9.12pm)

Money makes the world go round.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Apr 22 9.19pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

So what's your solution?

Why does there have to be one? It's likely the nature of power. Other than more non partisan efforts to highlight specific issues or causes and keep pressing them until action is taken (single issue parties etc would fit into that too). In the big picture it's still whack-a-mole, but it's something at least.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Apr 22 9.22pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Money makes the world go round.

Indeed.. that can become more extreme in some governments and countries than others, so it comes down to a matter of degrees I suppose. We can partially hold people to account and maybe not be so passive - our attitudes towards protesting here is weird compared to more we view it abroad for instance.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 9.22pm)

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Apr 22 9.28pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Indeed.. that can become more extreme in some governments and countries than others, so it comes down to a matter of degrees I suppose. We can partially hold people to account and maybe not be so passive - our attitudes towards protesting here is weird compared to more we view it abroad for instance.

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 9.22pm)

What do you mean our attitude?
Should we protest over everything that upsets us.
Like I said before many people don't really care about what she did. From most it's just lip service and hypocrisy as they will go on falsifying there own earnings to illegally do what she legally did. Strange eh!

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Apr 22 9.35pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What do you mean our attitude?
Should we protest over everything that upsets us.
Like I said before many people don't really care about what she did. From most it's just lip service and hypocrisy as they will go on falsifying there own earnings to illegally do what she legally did. Strange eh!

No we shouldn't protect against everyone that upsets us, who has suggested that? We should perhaps not rule it out in certain instances though. As I say, we seem to perceive it very differently and negatively when it happens here compared to abroad.. That is something of note, and I think it's need something that has been ingrained itself us, not necessarily for or to our own benefit.

Many probably don't care, many probably do. For a man in his position it doesn't sit well with many. You're a good man, but you do routinely do seem to be very unbothered by every instance of the government mugging us off (like the grotesque PPE contracts stuff etc) . A kind of 'get away with it if you can' outlook. I'm saying that the problem is it's indeed very easy to get away with it in government.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 11 Apr 22 9.37pm

double post

Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 9.37pm)

 

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