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Glazier#1 31 Mar 22 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That maybe so but it still is, indeed, a right-wing buzzword. Often also a cloak to cover prejudice.
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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 22 10.29am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As you have seen, they won't do that because it means they would have to think about how to defend criticising specifics, rather than just enjoy chucking mud at modern life and the way it is discussed. "Wokeness" is just the current buzzword of the right, and easy to echo as they confirm their biases. It will fade away and be replaced by a new word that they will all think super smart and repeat like parrots. In the meantime, the changes to society that are truly sensible and worthwhile will gradually become accepted by everyone, them included, whilst the dafter ones will disappear. It's ever thus. You really are quite impressive sometimes Wisbech. It is remarkable that a man of your years still has the energy to post so much nonsense.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Mar 22 10.31am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So popular, I had not heard it before it became the confetti being thrown around on every right leaning forum, and I don't live a sheltered life. I am sure there were some people, living in closets in Brighton back in the 1960s, who described themselves as "gay", when everyone else referred to them as homos! Just because things can take a while to catch fire doesn't change the reality that they are burning.
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Glazier#1 31 Mar 22 10.42am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So popular, I had not heard it before it became the confetti being thrown around on every right leaning forum, and I don't live a sheltered life. I am sure there were some people, living in closets in Brighton back in the 1960s, who described themselves as "gay", when everyone else referred to them as homos! Just because things can take a while to catch fire doesn't change the reality that they are burning. This is what I wrote elsewhere about my views on this subject. When I was young, certain attitudes were taken for granted. No Irish, no blacks was often seen when places were for rent. Words like the 'N' word and a multitude of others were commonly used against those with black skin. Those with Downs syndrome were looked down upon or pitied along with those who were called 'cripples'. Irish people were ridiculed as stupid and Irish jokes were ten a penny. I remember talk of going 'P**i' bashing or 'Queer' bashing. Really, the examples of these attitudes are too many to mention. In my childhood this was the norm. Many of these attitudes were defended and any defiance against them was vilified. 'what's the matter? Can't you take a joke?' would be trotted out. I, for one, am pleased that many of these injustices have been challenged and that laws have been introduced to protect minorities from this corrosive and bullying culture. Still there were those who opposed this at the time. Many of us today shudder at the thought of past attitudes. I suppose that is the birth of 'woke' culture. Yet there are those, even today, who still uphold blind prejudice and rail against any change of attitude. 'What's the matter? Can't you take a joke?' has been replaced by simply calling people 'snowflakes' I should add that I'm not a fan of 'Cancel Culture', either. I feel uncomfortable that people are hauled over the coals for remarks uttered or written some fifteen years earlier when they were young. If I'm honest, I blanch at some of the ways I acted and things I said when I was a youth but do feel that I'm a different person now. Surely, we all grow, develop and deserve a chance of redemption? Yet, overall, I'm glad we've moved on in so many respects. I'd rather suffer feeling peeved at the excesses of sanctimonious 'Cancel Culture' than return to the 'bad old days'. Edited by Glazier#1 (31 Mar 2022 10.44am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 22 10.46am | |
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
Edited by Glazier#1 (31 Mar 2022 10.44am) We have covered all this before. Woke has ceased to be about tackling prejudice. It has now morphed into something else. Oh, and no one takes italics seriously. It is an unwritten law of HOL.
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Teddy Eagle 31 Mar 22 11.02am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So popular, I had not heard it before it became the confetti being thrown around on every right leaning forum, and I don't live a sheltered life. I am sure there were some people, living in closets in Brighton back in the 1960s, who described themselves as "gay", when everyone else referred to them as homos! Just because things can take a while to catch fire doesn't change the reality that they are burning. As unimaginable as this may be things can happen in the world without becoming common knowledge in Cornwall.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Mar 22 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
As unimaginable as this may be things can happen in the world without becoming common knowledge in Cornwall. I have only lived in Cornwall since 2014. Prior to that, I have lived in many places in the UK. Including Croydon and Coventry. I have also seen genuine deprivation in other places around the world. So if this was common knowledge, I would have experienced it. I don't doubt that the term "gay" was in the OED, but just like "woke" was a slow burner and only became part of the common language much later.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Mar 22 11.22am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You really are quite impressive sometimes Wisbech. It is remarkable that a man of your years still has the energy to post so much nonsense. Glad I impress you. Age is just a number. You will realise that when you eventually grow up. It's strange though that what I find remarkable is how anyone, of whatever age, can consistently contribute so many words as you do, without actually saying anything at all.
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Eaglecoops CR3 31 Mar 22 11.26am | |
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The reason ‘wokeness’ hacks people off as I see it is because the feelings of the majority are being largely ignored. The Colston statue was the perfect example. Did the majority think that history should be left alone and that the future is more important, yes absolutely and yet a minority are now trying to re-write the history of Bristol to appease, you guessed it, another minority and appear to be able to do so without let or hindrance. If people want to learn about slavery then it should be taught in school, warts and all and that includes white slavers, black slavers, Arabic slavers and how the world developed despite its ugly past. You can go on and on but the point is, it is history and to tear down our country’s history simply because a minority feel morally offended by something that has had zero impact on anyone living in our country today is wrong. Woke to me are those who feel morally offended in a certain situation on behalf of others despite that situation having zero impact on their lives and it generally involves a minority holding sway over a majority. It might not be everyone’s idea of what woke is, but that’s how I see it.
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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Mar 22 11.27am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Glad I impress you. Age is just a number. You will realise that when you eventually grow up. It's strange though that what I find remarkable is how anyone, of whatever age, can consistently contribute so many words as you do, without actually saying anything at all. Better to say nothing than make a tit of yourself.
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Glazier#1 31 Mar 22 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We have covered all this before. Woke has ceased to be about tackling prejudice. It has now morphed into something else. Oh, and no one takes italics seriously. It is an unwritten law of HOL. Ha ha. An unwritten law written by you, no doubt. Ganger by name, ganger by nature. Another law you might not write in your Holmesdale/Hrolf rulebook is that we should avoid insulting each other. It doesn't help your cause, my friend.
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Glazier#1 31 Mar 22 11.39am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
The reason ‘wokeness’ hacks people off as I see it is because the feelings of the majority are being largely ignored. The Colston statue was the perfect example. Did the majority think that history should be left alone and that the future is more important, yes absolutely and yet a minority are now trying to re-write the history of Bristol to appease, you guessed it, another minority and appear to be able to do so without let or hindrance. If people want to learn about slavery then it should be taught in school, warts and all and that includes white slavers, black slavers, Arabic slavers and how the world developed despite its ugly past. You can go on and on but the point is, it is history and to tear down our country’s history simply because a minority feel morally offended by something that has had zero impact on anyone living in our country today is wrong. Woke to me are those who feel morally offended in a certain situation on behalf of others despite that situation having zero impact on their lives and it generally involves a minority holding sway over a majority. It might not be everyone’s idea of what woke is, but that’s how I see it. I saw a black fellow interviewed who felt that Colston was, in fact, a mass murderer and he was offended that Bristol should erect a statue to such.
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