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cryrst The garden of England 04 Nov 21 4.53am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Rich people telling poorer people that they have to live with less. Exactly. 12k for a heat pump which gets to 75% of the temperature of a gas boiler. Radiators at least 50% larger. How are they manufactured because no 'clean' energy is around which gets hot enough to melt steel. Oh wait, we will import them from China,Russia or India. That's certainly a way to feel better I'm sure. The sums don't add up.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Nov 21 4.53am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Rich people telling poorer people that they have to live with less. yep, another glorious photo opportunity for world leaders to suck each other off and show us how great they can be when elections are close.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Nov 21 4.58am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Exactly. 12k for a heat pump which gets to 75% of the temperature of a gas boiler. Radiators at least 50% larger. How are they manufactured because no 'clean' energy is around which gets hot enough to melt steel. Oh wait, we will import them from China,Russia or India. That's certainly a way to feel better I'm sure. The sums don't add up.
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BlueJay UK 04 Nov 21 7.07am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Exactly. 12k for a heat pump which gets to 75% of the temperature of a gas boiler. Radiators at least 50% larger. How are they manufactured because no 'clean' energy is around which gets hot enough to melt steel. Oh wait, we will import them from China,Russia or India. That's certainly a way to feel better I'm sure. The sums don't add up. Yes, the hate pump offers came across like a real gimmick, because the offer was limited to a small number of grants anyway and as you say the upfront cost isn't something that would appeal to the average person. No doubt in time prices will come down, but I won't be rushing to make the change. I'm not sure that the windfarm stats pass the smell test though, when you consider that it's upfront carbon cost vs ongoing. They appear to be very efficient [Link] [Link] though nuclear narrowly tops them all whatever the other pros and cons of it may be. We should always be looking to move beyond the outmoded and what will eventually look archaic, but as some rightly say it can't only come at a cost to joe public. Corporations have been making bank for decades due to not caring about the environment. Unfortunately for us 'shareholders' and corporations aren't often bothered about much other than their financials so the transition was never going to be straightforward.
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cryrst The garden of England 04 Nov 21 2.17pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes, the hate pump offers came across like a real gimmick, because the offer was limited to a small number of grants anyway and as you say the upfront cost isn't something that would appeal to the average person. No doubt in time prices will come down, but I won't be rushing to make the change. I'm not sure that the windfarm stats pass the smell test though, when you consider that it's upfront carbon cost vs ongoing. They appear to be very efficient [Link] [Link] though nuclear narrowly tops them all whatever the other pros and cons of it may be. We should always be looking to move beyond the outmoded and what will eventually look archaic, but as some rightly say it can't only come at a cost to joe public. Corporations have been making bank for decades due to not caring about the environment. Unfortunately for us 'shareholders' and corporations aren't often bothered about much other than their financials so the transition was never going to be straightforward. If the turbine doesn't need parts or maintenance then yes but none will run without this so add up those spares and transport and the sum probably is about right.
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BlueJay UK 04 Nov 21 4.10pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
If the turbine doesn't need parts or maintenance then yes but none will run without this so add up those spares and transport and the sum probably is about right. There is no way in any rational scenario that in needs to operate for 70 years to offset the Co2. I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, but is clearly much, much better than some technologies. We're making strides in the right direction, though have maybe been a bit too nuclear shy all things considered.
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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Nov 21 8.56am | |
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John Humphreys pointed out that trainers are made of non recyclable plastic I wonder how many pairs were in Glasgow the last few days. Maybe Greta can start a campaign against Nike?
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 Nov 21 5.10am | |
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It's over. A final admission the planet is royally fooked. And COP26 was never going to be anything other than an insurmountable hurdle. But I see nothing tangible
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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Nov 21 9.30am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
It's over. A final admission the planet is royally fooked. And COP26 was never going to be anything other than an insurmountable hurdle. But I see nothing tangible Sadly self interest will always trump altruism.
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Stirlingsays 14 Nov 21 10.33am | |
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All that money spent. In terms of doing anything it's always been about the technological developments, not waffle by politicians most of whom are about as honest as prison inmates.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 Nov 21 11.21am | |
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And yet, more politispeak. COP26 President Alok Sharma says the last minute deal change to "phase down" coal is not a failure. He tells BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "I wouldn’t describe what we did yesterday as a failure – it is a historic achievement. (BBC, website)
No-one thought it would be anything else
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BlueJay UK 14 Nov 21 11.23am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
It's over. A final admission the planet is royally fooked. And COP26 was never going to be anything other than an insurmountable hurdle. But I see nothing tangible In principle getting together as nations to thrash these things out with a combination of arm twisting and incentives is a good, even necessary idea. In reality though change most often comes too late, as current self interest often holds away. Corporations especially will drag their feet until forced to do otherwise. It's a shame because many green and sustainable technologies actually now make much more sense now than the alternatives.
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