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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 21 10.05am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger MP's should remember that it was their policies that allowed this cancer into our country. Perhaps now one of their own has been killed, they might do something more to remove undesirables from this country and stop others arriving. Don't hold your breath though. Once again, I'm very disappointed to see a very serious topic ruined by people hell bent on disruption and abuse. The topic is the murder of David Amess, for which there is a suspect in custody. Whilst discussing how to improve our MPs security in the aftermath is a natural reaction, rushing to judgement about the motivations of the suspect is not. We simply don't know anything yet, and may not until he is tried. We don't know his mental state, or his associations. Lessons may well need to be learned, but we already know that Islamic extremism exists and is dangerous. We didn't need this incident to learn that. The immediate lessons are all about MPs security and nothing at all about what they need to be protected from. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 21 10.05am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

MP's should remember that it was their policies that allowed this cancer into our country.
Perhaps now one of their own has been killed, they might do something more to remove undesirables from this country and stop others arriving.

Don't hold your breath though.

Once again, I'm very disappointed to see a very serious topic ruined by people hell bent on disruption and abuse.

The topic is the murder of David Amess, for which there is a suspect in custody.

Whilst discussing how to improve our MPs security in the aftermath is a natural reaction, rushing to judgement about the motivations of the suspect is not.

We simply don't know anything yet, and may not until he is tried. We don't know his mental state, or his associations. Lessons may well need to be learned, but we already know that Islamic extremism exists and is dangerous. We didn't need this incident to learn that.

The immediate lessons are all about MPs security and nothing at all about what they need to be protected from.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 16 Oct 21 10.09am
Now you are an arbiter of what warrants a red card? Btw , you were specifically blaming the UK as the coat tails of the US. Originally posted by Maine Eagle Do you wake up at 5am specifically to spew nonsense on this funny site? I am not apportioning blame, but American foreign policy following the ouster of the Russians from Afghanistan, did somewhat annoy Osama Bin Laden. Make of that what you will. Islamist extremists are indeed idiots, vile creatures and scum. I hope you are not calling all Muslims idiots, and denigrating their holy text, as that would appear to be so offensive as to warrant the infamous red card on these pages. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 16 Oct 21 10.09am

Now you are an arbiter of what warrants a red card?

Btw , you were specifically blaming the UK as the coat tails of the US.

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Do you wake up at 5am specifically to spew nonsense on this funny site?

I am not apportioning blame, but American foreign policy following the ouster of the Russians from Afghanistan, did somewhat annoy Osama Bin Laden. Make of that what you will.

Islamist extremists are indeed idiots, vile creatures and scum.

I hope you are not calling all Muslims idiots, and denigrating their holy text, as that would appear to be so offensive as to warrant the infamous red card on these pages.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 21 10.11am
Was the suspect acting alone is foremost on my mind, and is there going to be more as a result of leaving Afghanistan.
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Croydon 16 Oct 21 10.11am

Was the suspect acting alone is foremost on my mind, and is there going to be more as a result of leaving Afghanistan.

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Stirlingsays 16 Oct 21 10.17am
Originally posted by Badger11 This is a tragedy and I feel sorry for his family. Yesterday many MPs demanded more protection and pointed out that 6/7 of them have been killed in the last 70 odd years doing their job. I wonder how many police officers, shopkeepers, taxi and bus drivers have been murdered in the same period doing their job? This man was carrying a knife and and MPs don't like stop and search in case it offends parts of the community. I expect extra taxpayers money will be sent to protect them and I don't have a problem with that but every day people are murdered on our streets when are they going to do something about that. RIP David Amess. Good points. The great and the good hold the reins of power and we can be pretty sure that action on MP security will be taken. I agree with you that tragedies like this need to be far harder to pull off and I also agree that as politicians they hold responsibility for the type of society this now is. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2021 10.19am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Oct 21 10.17am

Originally posted by Badger11

This is a tragedy and I feel sorry for his family.

Yesterday many MPs demanded more protection and pointed out that 6/7 of them have been killed in the last 70 odd years doing their job.

I wonder how many police officers, shopkeepers, taxi and bus drivers have been murdered in the same period doing their job?

This man was carrying a knife and and MPs don't like stop and search in case it offends parts of the community.

I expect extra taxpayers money will be sent to protect them and I don't have a problem with that but every day people are murdered on our streets when are they going to do something about that.

RIP David Amess.

Good points.

The great and the good hold the reins of power and we can be pretty sure that action on MP security will be taken.

I agree with you that tragedies like this need to be far harder to pull off and I also agree that as politicians they hold responsibility for the type of society this now is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2021 10.19am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 21 10.28am
Originally posted by Badger11 This is a tragedy and I feel sorry for his family. Yesterday many MPs demanded more protection and pointed out that 6/7 of them have been killed in the last 70 odd years doing their job. I wonder how many police officers, shopkeepers, taxi and bus drivers have been murdered in the same period doing their job? This man was carrying a knife and and MPs don't like stop and search in case it offends parts of the community. I expect extra taxpayers money will be sent to protect them and I don't have a problem with that but every day people are murdered on our streets when are they going to do something about that. RIP David Amess. Every murder is a tragedy. Whilst we don't yet know the motivation behind this murder, to my mind, there is a difference between people killed whilst doing their job, and people killed because of their job. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 21 10.28am

Originally posted by Badger11

This is a tragedy and I feel sorry for his family.

Yesterday many MPs demanded more protection and pointed out that 6/7 of them have been killed in the last 70 odd years doing their job.

I wonder how many police officers, shopkeepers, taxi and bus drivers have been murdered in the same period doing their job?

This man was carrying a knife and and MPs don't like stop and search in case it offends parts of the community.

I expect extra taxpayers money will be sent to protect them and I don't have a problem with that but every day people are murdered on our streets when are they going to do something about that.

RIP David Amess.

Every murder is a tragedy.

Whilst we don't yet know the motivation behind this murder,
to my mind, there is a difference between people killed whilst doing their job, and people killed because of their job.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Oct 21 10.33am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Every murder is a tragedy. Whilst we don't yet know the motivation behind this murder, to my mind, there is a difference between people killed whilst doing their job, and people killed because of their job. It comes to the same thing. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 16 Oct 21 10.33am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Every murder is a tragedy.

Whilst we don't yet know the motivation behind this murder,
to my mind, there is a difference between people killed whilst doing their job, and people killed because of their job.

It comes to the same thing.

One more point

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Oct 21 10.45am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The topic is the murder of David Amess, for which there is a suspect in custody. Whilst discussing how to improve our MPs security in the aftermath is a natural reaction, rushing to judgement about the motivations of the suspect is not. We simply don't know anything yet, and may not until he is tried. We don't know his mental state, or his associations. Lessons may well need to be learned, but we already know that Islamic extremism exists and is dangerous. We didn't need this incident to learn that. The immediate lessons are all about MPs security and nothing at all about what they need to be protected from. Anyone who murders anyone for any reason is deranged. Whether someone is insane or not is a decision made by another person. It is not a fact in the true sense. As far as people like you are concerned, any Islamist that kills is automatically insane because it defends Islam and the influx of Islamic believers into this country. When I say it, that is because I believe that whether you brand someone as insane or not, it makes no difference. They are symptomatic of a bigger problem, and we all know deep down what that problem is, whether we want to admit it or not. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Oct 2021 10.46am)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The topic is the murder of David Amess, for which there is a suspect in custody.

Whilst discussing how to improve our MPs security in the aftermath is a natural reaction, rushing to judgement about the motivations of the suspect is not.

We simply don't know anything yet, and may not until he is tried. We don't know his mental state, or his associations. Lessons may well need to be learned, but we already know that Islamic extremism exists and is dangerous. We didn't need this incident to learn that.

The immediate lessons are all about MPs security and nothing at all about what they need to be protected from.

Anyone who murders anyone for any reason is deranged. Whether someone is insane or not is a decision made by another person. It is not a fact in the true sense.
As far as people like you are concerned, any Islamist that kills is automatically insane because it defends Islam and the influx of Islamic believers into this country. When I say it, that is because I believe that whether you brand someone as insane or not, it makes no difference. They are symptomatic of a bigger problem, and we all know deep down what that problem is, whether we want to admit it or not.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Oct 2021 10.46am)

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 16 Oct 21 10.45am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The topic is the murder of David Amess, for which there is a suspect in custody. Whilst discussing how to improve our MPs security in the aftermath is a natural reaction, rushing to judgement about the motivations of the suspect is not. We simply don't know anything yet, and may not until he is tried. We don't know his mental state, or his associations. Lessons may well need to be learned, but we already know that Islamic extremism exists and is dangerous. We didn't need this incident to learn that. The immediate lessons are all about MPs security and nothing at all about what they need to be protected from. He stabbed an innocent man multiple times with a knife; how many options can you think of regarding his mental state?
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In a broken dream 16 Oct 21 10.45am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The topic is the murder of David Amess, for which there is a suspect in custody.

Whilst discussing how to improve our MPs security in the aftermath is a natural reaction, rushing to judgement about the motivations of the suspect is not.

We simply don't know anything yet, and may not until he is tried. We don't know his mental state, or his associations. Lessons may well need to be learned, but we already know that Islamic extremism exists and is dangerous. We didn't need this incident to learn that.

The immediate lessons are all about MPs security and nothing at all about what they need to be protected from.

He stabbed an innocent man multiple times with a knife; how many options can you think of regarding his mental state?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Oct 21 12.06pm
Originally posted by palace_in_frogland He stabbed an innocent man multiple times with a knife; how many options can you think of regarding his mental state? Radical Islamist must be a new mental health diagnosis. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Oct 21 12.06pm

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

He stabbed an innocent man multiple times with a knife; how many options can you think of regarding his mental state?

Radical Islamist must be a new mental health diagnosis.

Red and Blue Army!

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Spiderman Horsham 16 Oct 21 1.01pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Was the suspect acting alone is foremost on my mind, and is there going to be more as a result of leaving Afghanistan. I suspect he was ( only my opinion).
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Horsham 16 Oct 21 1.01pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Was the suspect acting alone is foremost on my mind, and is there going to be more as a result of leaving Afghanistan.

I suspect he was ( only my opinion).

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Spiderman Horsham 16 Oct 21 1.04pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Every murder is a tragedy. Whilst we don't yet know the motivation behind this murder, to my mind, there is a difference between people killed whilst doing their job, and people killed because of their job. But was an MP killed whilst doing his job or because of his job? Interesting point of debate, until we know why this happened.
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Horsham 16 Oct 21 1.04pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Every murder is a tragedy.

Whilst we don't yet know the motivation behind this murder,
to my mind, there is a difference between people killed whilst doing their job, and people killed because of their job.

But was an MP killed whilst doing his job or because of his job? Interesting point of debate, until we know why this happened.

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Maine Eagle USA 16 Oct 21 1.49pm
Originally posted by cryrst I get up at 5am to go to work to pay for the country to function. To pay for the immigrants to find a safe sanctuary. Not so they can go to Robert dyas, buy a knife and stab an MP; the very one who defends them,to death. When it came to you mainy as it did on 9/11 I reckon you wernt even slightly bothered. No, muslims are idiots if they actually believe the west and westerners are their enemy. If they beleive that gays are in need of being killed, if one man is two women. Research these points then tell me the dopey book is good. And no I won't get a red as you wish. If you want a left wing site you are on the wrong one, try over there! Saying I’m not bothered about thousands of people dying on 9/11 shows how silly you are, it’s hard to take anything you say seriously when you spout nonsense like that. Jo Cox was murdered by a white supremacist, born in Scotland, I wonder if England should stop Scottish people coming in? There is an active war going on between radical Islam and Europe and America. While that war rages, blood will continue to be shed, unfortunately. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.
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Maine Eagle

USA 16 Oct 21 1.49pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I get up at 5am to go to work to pay for the country to function.
To pay for the immigrants to find a safe sanctuary.
Not so they can go to Robert dyas, buy a knife and stab an MP; the very one who defends them,to death.
When it came to you mainy as it did on 9/11 I reckon you wernt even slightly bothered.
No, muslims are idiots if they actually believe the west and westerners are their enemy. If they beleive that gays are in need of being killed, if one man is two women.
Research these points then tell me the dopey book is good.
And no I won't get a red as you wish. If you want a left wing site you are on the wrong one, try over there!

Saying I’m not bothered about thousands of people dying on 9/11 shows how silly you are, it’s hard to take anything you say seriously when you spout nonsense like that.

Jo Cox was murdered by a white supremacist, born in Scotland, I wonder if England should stop Scottish people coming in?

There is an active war going on between radical Islam and Europe and America. While that war rages, blood will continue to be shed, unfortunately.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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