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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It's sad to think that you will spend your twilight years whining on about lost causes. You are the kind of person who would have trusted Hitler. I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining. I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything. I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists.
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cryrst  The garden of England 13 Oct 21 10.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining. I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything. I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists. Once more....
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 13 Oct 21 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
Maybe you could enlarge on why you think the EU treats the UK so badly - especially Macron? Frankly, such a perspective is lost on me. Going back on/ignoring international treaties that Johnson and Frost both negotiated and championed as outstanding, giving a nod to militants in NI to stir up trouble, creating quite unnecessary tensions with France over fishing and then, of course, the debacle in the Channel. Of course, its politically expedient to keep a running battle with the EU. Johnson got elected on just that basis and indeed his whole conversion to the Leave cause was associated with political opportunism. He was never known previously, despite his years in Brussels as an inaccurate journalist, to have expressed any strong views on the matter. That's the nature of the British PM and his henchman Frost that the EU are dealing with. Untrustworthy, not serious and quite willing in their own interests to keep the issue running and running. All the while, of course, the true costs of this whole scenario are starting to play out for UK citizens to witness and pay for. Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Once more.... Everyone misjudged the situation, not just the EU! Even Farage thought that he would lose, right up to the moment before the result was announced. As I have said many times, you cannot compare the Remain campaign with the Leave one and blame apathy. Defending the status quo is always less sexy than promising a golden dawn. The blame lies squarely with the very idea of asking the people to determine such a complex issue, when their job is to select people to make such decisions on our behalf. That Cameron, and central office, decided to cave in to UKIP's threat was a miscalculation of epic proportions for which they can never be forgiven.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 21 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not "whining" about anything! Brexit is a fact. Now we must deal with the consequences. All I, and others, do is point them out. As the realisation of these becomes clearer to more people, so will the benefits of rejoining. I see all the faults of the EU and don't "worship" them any more than I do anything. I despise the Nazis and anything that imitates them, as many on the right seem to do. My father nearly lost his life fighting them, and their allies. I don't trust dictators. Or populists. What you mean is that you wish to influence people with fear and misinformation to perpetuate your sorry campaign. You are not an honest man, are you Wisbech?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 13 Oct 21 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it. It's sad reflection if we can not be trusted, but only English voters would trust Johnson. Brexit: Irish deputy PM Leo Varadkar warns nations UK might not keep its word. France has actually been a good friend considering.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Oct 21 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It's sad reflection if we can not be trusted, but only English voters would trust Johnson. Brexit: Irish deputy PM Leo Varadkar warns nations UK might not keep its word. France has actually been a good friend considering. When discussing trust worthiness probably not the best person to cite.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What you mean is that you wish to influence people with fear and misinformation to perpetuate your sorry campaign. You are not an honest man, are you Wisbech? Another laugh out loud moment from you. I have no need to influence anyone, let alone campaign to do so. Events are doing that. Precisely where do you think I am stating any misinformation? Given that was the primary ingredient of the Leave campaign, such an idea is really pretty amusing. As well as being ridiculous. All I am doing is giving my observations on how things are going. Whether you agree with them is of little interest to me, and of even less consequence. They will happen anyway.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Oct 21 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Good post - you only have to look at how many on here seem to think the French are our ‘enemies’ and still obsess over the war - Johnson knows exactly how to tap into it. Of course he does, he's a Turk!
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| cryrst The garden of England 13 Oct 21 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Another laugh out loud moment from you. I have no need to influence anyone, let alone campaign to do so. Events are doing that. Precisely where do you think I am stating any misinformation? Given that was the primary ingredient of the Leave campaign, such an idea is really pretty amusing. As well as being ridiculous. All I am doing is giving my observations on how things are going. Whether you agree with them is of little interest to me, and of even less consequence. They will happen anyway. So how has brexit affected you.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 21 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Another laugh out loud moment from you. I have no need to influence anyone, let alone campaign to do so. Events are doing that. Precisely where do you think I am stating any misinformation? Given that was the primary ingredient of the Leave campaign, such an idea is really pretty amusing. As well as being ridiculous. All I am doing is giving my observations on how things are going. Whether you agree with them is of little interest to me, and of even less consequence. They will happen anyway. Yes, and your 'observations' contain no objectivity whatsoever.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 10.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yes, and your 'observations' contain no objectivity whatsoever. Really? Maybe you live in some kind of parallel universe in which everything is going swimmingly, our PM is the most trustworthy leader we have ever had, trade deals are flowing like milk and honey and the "oven-ready" withdrawal agreement does what it says on the tin. And not turn out to be one of those supermarket family ready meals in glossy, over-sized packaging that turns out to be barely a meal for one, with cheap ingredients and full of air and water. Or have I missed something?
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