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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 12 Jul 21 6.53pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Being "called out" doesn't make the criticism valid. I recognise the difference between when I offer an opinion or state a fact. Most are opinion. Forcibly expressed perhaps, but still opinion. Facts are a rarity, but do exist.

If you get confused, that's not my problem.

Being called out regularly does mean you are full of sh@te though

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 21 7.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

We have a very clear idea of what happened from contemporary reports. The terrorist, racist, incitor of murder, ordered that ‘European men’ (ie: white) should be killed and that, specifically, William Livingstone should be beheaded and his head brought to him. Do you accept that he preached in his church with Livingstone’s head on a pole beside him, or perhaps you think he was short-sighted and thought it was a flower arrangement put there by the local women’s institute?

Edited by georgenorman (12 Jul 2021 7.03pm)

BS. The contemporary reports of any war, no matter how small, are always going to reflect well on the victor and badly on the loser. Have you never heard that history is always written by those who win?

We just don't know the real truth. We only know what those on one side said was the truth. The real truth is that it is all conjecture. The whole story, including the head on a pole, could easily be a piece of propaganda intended to shock the people back in England. I am NOT saying it was, only that it might be, because we just don't know.

Trusting what was said back then is foolish in the extreme.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 21 7.47pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Being called out regularly does mean you are full of sh@te though

Is an opinion. Which you are entitled to. I have mine of you too. However, I am far too polite to express it here.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 12 Jul 21 7.48pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

BS. The contemporary reports of any war, no matter how small, are always going to reflect well on the victor and badly on the loser. Have you never heard that history is always written by those who win?

We just don't know the real truth. We only know what those on one side said was the truth. The real truth is that it is all conjecture. The whole story, including the head on a pole, could easily be a piece of propaganda intended to shock the people back in England. I am NOT saying it was, only that it might be, because we just don't know.

Trusting what was said back then is foolish in the extreme.


More patronising crap

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 12 Jul 21 8.26pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

BS. The contemporary reports of any war, no matter how small, are always going to reflect well on the victor and badly on the loser. Have you never heard that history is always written by those who win?

We just don't know the real truth. We only know what those on one side said was the truth. The real truth is that it is all conjecture. The whole story, including the head on a pole, could easily be a piece of propaganda intended to shock the people back in England. I am NOT saying it was, only that it might be, because we just don't know.

Trusting what was said back then is foolish in the extreme.

No doubt you accept reports and history that suits your own political agenda though.
Perhaps you should invest in a subscription to the British Newspaper Archive, there you can read many reports of the uprising in many different newspapers with eye-witness accounts, including the widow of Livingstone who was made to watch the beheading of her husband along with her young children (of course you will say she made it up). You will also say all the newspapers conspired together to falsely accuse the racist, terrorist, incitor of murder, of being a racist, terrorist, incitor of murder. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Jul 21 8.33pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

I'm not surprised mayor khant wants this statue.
The terrorist Mandela sits in parliament square.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Jul 21 8.34pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Oh silly me, he was a freedom fighter putting lit tyres around peoples necks!

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 21 10.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

No doubt you accept reports and history that suits your own political agenda though.
Perhaps you should invest in a subscription to the British Newspaper Archive, there you can read many reports of the uprising in many different newspapers with eye-witness accounts, including the widow of Livingstone who was made to watch the beheading of her husband along with her young children (of course you will say she made it up). You will also say all the newspapers conspired together to falsely accuse the racist, terrorist, incitor of murder, of being a racist, terrorist, incitor of murder. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I don't accept ANY historical accounts written by those who won.Or lost. If a non-partisan observer was
an eyewitness then that's more likely to be reliable. It's less true today when so much is recorded but as we know that can be faked, edited and manipulated to tell pretty much whatever story you want, if you have the motivation to do so. Propaganda has always been alive and well.

The British Newspapers of those days were flying the flag of Empire as enthusiastically as anyone. Whether their stories, eyewitnesses or not, have any truth can only be conjecture. If you have ever had much direct involvement with the way even a modern newspaper twists a story to suit it's narrative, as I have, then you will know to treat them all with a huge block of salt.

If you are prepared to accept things at face value, or believe propaganda, then you should be ashamed of yourself. I am a cynic. I am not defending, or condemning anyone. All I am saying is we really need to keep an open mind and consider the context of when, where and to whom it happened before rushing to judgement.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Jul 21 7.00am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Is this really helpful? Where does it stop? Descendants of those press-ganged or those that sent young kids up chimneys? Obviously these examples aren’t as horrendous as slavery ( although those involved might have disagreed). Are they also going to claim compensation from Spain and the African countries involved?

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 13 Jul 21 7.05am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't accept ANY historical accounts written by those who won.Or lost. If a non-partisan observer was
an eyewitness then that's more likely to be reliable. It's less true today when so much is recorded but as we know that can be faked, edited and manipulated to tell pretty much whatever story you want, if you have the motivation to do so. Propaganda has always been alive and well.

The British Newspapers of those days were flying the flag of Empire as enthusiastically as anyone. Whether their stories, eyewitnesses or not, have any truth can only be conjecture. If you have ever had much direct involvement with the way even a modern newspaper twists a story to suit it's narrative, as I have, then you will know to treat them all with a huge block of salt.

If you are prepared to accept things at face value, or believe propaganda, then you should be ashamed of yourself. I am a cynic. I am not defending, or condemning anyone. All I am saying is we really need to keep an open mind and consider the context of when, where and to whom it happened before rushing to judgement.

I take it you are a holocaust denier then?

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Jul 21 8.08am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Is this really helpful? Where does it stop? Descendants of those press-ganged or those that sent young kids up chimneys? Obviously these examples aren’t as horrendous as slavery ( although those involved might have disagreed). Are they also going to claim compensation from Spain and the African countries involved?

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Edited by Spiderman (13 Jul 2021 8.04am)

Still waiting for my compo from the Vikings, Romans and the Normans.

Of course in the bill to be presented to the UK they never deduct all the investment we have made over hundreds of years.

Edited by Badger11 (13 Jul 2021 8.08am)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 21 8.13am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

I take it you are a holocaust denier then?

No, because the evidence is still there, as well as testimony from a sufficient number of survivors to establish it as a fact.

The kind of evidence that exists on film, showing emancipated people being herded onto cattle trucks, would also be incredibly difficult to fake.

 


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