Not sure about if they regret it, but many see it as a silver bullet to end all their problems.

Then discover it's not.

It seems like both sides of this argument have firmly held views, but no one debating it really knows anyone whose effected by it.

Agreed, this times ten.

Conservatism also needs to be criticised because the pushback on the direction of travel has been.....weak to say the least.

If you take out the religious right many people on the right have abandoned much of social conservativism for a quiet life.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Completely agree.

As for adults,

For transmen lot of the time the root cause seems to not be a desire to be a man, but a resentment of being a woman.

For transwomen, it seems like they want act a certain way, which often seems patronising towards women.

You can't force people to perceive you the way you want to be perceived. So changing your gender identity my not resolve the fundamental internal causes of unhappiness, and will not have the desired external impact either.

Extensive counselling is required to get to the core of issues and to prepare people for realities of living a transgender life.

There's a lot of important factors getting shut out of the debate, mainly because activist just start shouting transphobe at anyone who questions it.

It's like picking a fight with the church of scientology.

It seems like a lot of peoples opposition to gender reassignment is based on compassion for individuals and would never want any harm to come to anyone. It seems like most of the activist just spout off a poorly considered ideology and are frothing at the mouth to call people out for being intolerant so they can boast to their echo chamber. (DanH isn't included in the group, he seems to want to make the world a nicer place).

Did some reading yesterday it is difficult to find stuff that is not bias one way or the other. The only conclusion I did draw was that people who transition and have extensive counselling both before and after the treatment are more likely to be okay with their new gender.

Those that don't undergo this prolonged counselling are almost certainly to have problems and regrets. The counselling afterwards is as important as the counselling before.

Edited by Badger11 (19 Mar 2021 7.53am)

One more point

That's the thing with Labour and IDpol. Just when you think they've hit the nadir, they'll find, somehow, more ground dig even deeper.

I won't give the Tories a free pass on this s*** either. It's basically Labour policy, just slightly slower.

Been reading some analysis of the forthcoming Hartlepool by-election with Labour already starting to manage expectations.

Hartlepool. A constituency where Labour should be weighing their vote, not counting it. And yet now, even with Brexit done and dusted, it is now considered potentially in play. After over a decade of Tory national control.

Personally, I cannot see them losing it but seriously, how far have they fallen for it not to be a bygone conclusion?

And if they do fail to hold it...then it's over for Labour. They would need to seriously take a look at why they even exist anymore.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.