Well, despite the policies of our political leaders, London is still the English capital...so it qualifies as Europe.

Still, as for you being back here, well yeah, I'm genuinely sorry to hear that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2020 1.33pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

My point was that banning meat and circumcision is not going to stop terrorism.

Apart from that, you still haven't from what I can see suggested how you would tackle the issue?

Certainly your suggestion that we repeat the same failed nonsense that has brought us to this point is nothing but a future of despair.

I never said that banning halal meat and circumcision would 'stop terrorism'.

It's one tool in the box that reduces the attractiveness of the country to that demographic.

It also bans two barbaric and backward practices that should be banned regardless.

I've gone over how this could be done in previous threads.

Change UK's human rights law to enable the following:

Stop the construction of new Mosques and ban Islamic religious schools.

Ban halal meat and circumcision.

Pay pakistan and Bangladesh to be willing to take 'citizens' that we want to deport from Islamic watch lists.

That's a broad outline of the direction we need to move in if Islamic population increase and hence terrorism is going to be tackled.

There isn't a chance in hell of it happening though because...essentially we aren't Poland or Hungary who actually monitor and care about demographics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2020 2.42pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I don't remember sectarian violence or IRA/UVF bombs being blamed on mental health issues. There have been a few attacks by Islamic terrorists blamed on mental health. I guess it does raise an interesting question.
I didn't agree with any of the violence in the North or with either side of the divide in NI. I won't even support Celtic or Rangers, just to clarify things. The violence in the North, or threat of violence there, is abhorrent to me.

Red and Blue Army!

The Irish troubles are essentially the IRA wanting a unified Ireland and their opponents wanting to keep the union with Britain with an underlying, largely historical, religious element. Whereas the current Islamic fundamentalist terrorists openly and clearly state that their motivation is their religion and that they are carrying out their acts as a duty to their religion. The label Islamic Terrorism is entirely appropriate.

Seriously?

Your belief that 'education, engagement' can work comes from a place of zero evidence and has been tried and proven a failure since mass migration started in WW2.

The idea that we haven't tried very very hard to integrate is just at odds with what happened. Europe is probably the most welcoming area in the world to foreigners than any other continent.....much to its damage.

Asking people to change identities doesn't work. The majority become more attached to them, not less......Anyone who's seen an Irish pub in England or the English in Spain knows that......You can't 'educate' people away from identity.

It's common sense that second and third generations are going to be more identitarian not less as the cultural differences between their two cultural inputs are stark....Not relatively minor like say the English and Polish.

It doesn't work.....It can only work with filtered success stories and so what you are in affect doing is giving over land and domains to different ethnicities and white flight will result at quicker and quicker rates.

That's what actually happens....Your 'integration and education' is meaningless and misguided.

Your politics has handed down a poisoned chalice to the next generations.

You asked me for solutions.....they aren't perfect and they do result in division.....but that's the point. The future is going to be nothing but that anyway....and the do gooders paved the way to hell because they turned their head away from reality in preference to warm worded falsehoods.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2020 1.17pm)

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