Do you have to try and make political capital out of everything?

I've said nothing about wanting anyone mixed out of existence. I've just stated that I don't care if people I know are mixed race or white. They are not less 'of this place' to me as a result if they are born here and I'm not doing a colour count. That's it. There are more white people and indeed most other races than have ever existed in the history of the world anyway. I specifically suggested in the very message you replied to that I want immigration to be limited through Brexit because of societal issues it causes. That's hardly the attitude of someone who wants to let the world in. It's about getting along with whoever is already here where possible.

At the end of the day I hold and express a nuanced view and you follow or followed a white resistance group on social media that is off it's nut and is followed by people who actually self identify as extremists in their profiles and make incredibly out there comments, so I hardly think I need to listen to you find fault with my mundane outlook. To say that anything in my post or outlook in any way motivates acts of terror is clearly ludicrous. You're acting out because of the particular flavour of this act of extremism. Blame the individual. I have no need to paint any of these scumbags, whatever the ideology, as anything other than what they are.

I'm happy with my post as a whole which is below, rather than you picking out the few select bits you disagree with about aspiring to get along to leap to a conclusion where I'm partially responsible for the motivations of people like this guy. My proximity to individuals like this man is ancient oceans wide.

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Original Message

A sickening act.

I'm pleased I've criticised both religious extremism and racial resistance groups on here. It's all too easy online to plug into these fringe movements or to go down an us vs them road to radicalisation. This guy announced what he was going to do before posting his muddled and cliched 'white genecide' ethno state manifesto on a chan site, live streaming his heinous acts to anyone interested. It's important to see the dignity in all, not get warped ideas about who does and doesn't truly belong in their own country. The regular focus on genetic themed racial stuff that is suddenly ever present on here for instance is alienating, unhelpful and a rung on the ladder this leads nowhere pleasant.

Hrolf makes a good point about how violence begets violence. Previous attacks add weight to the likelihood of attacks like this, and this in turn will no doubt tip some religious radical over the edge. I've never been for mass immigration, making a country only about benefiting elites through cheap labour. It does have an impact on stability of a country and can cause friction within communities. Religion can complicate and result in insular communities that hold age old beliefs detached from that of the country. Possibly Brexit will put the breaks on things if it actually ever happens. Even if it does though, it's important to remember that at that point the country is what it is. People still have to learn to get along in peace and to try to find commonality rather than differences no matter how hard or futile that may sometimes appear. We see here what the alternative to doing that is.

Edited by dollardays (15 Mar 2019 4.21pm)

That’s your truth; I can’t be bothered to recycle a debate that’s been had 100 times, but everyone believes their view to be the truth, hence why they believe it.

I’m not suggesting anything of the sort; just pointing out the hypocrisy of you saying the media are lying to put blame on the right, when you readily lay blame to the left.

Let’s be clear; I’ve never suggested closing down anything, just highlighted an inconsistency.

I've seen muslims committing acts of terror declared not 'real muslims' by people on account of their actions and so those communities have no need to reflect. They should. We don't need to sugar coat it.

This individual had a clear, consistent and repeated thread of angry racial ideology that ran through his manafesto, so we don't need to cobble together reasons to ignore that either.

True, that little prick instead indoctrinates others to do his dirty work. No better than Choudry. Cut. From. Same. Cowardly. Cloth.

laddo

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