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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Mar 19 8.44am | |
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Originally posted by becky
Sadly, I think there's little chance of the black community here standing together to sort the problem Firstly, as you say, we hear every time what a lovely innocent their boy was, had nothing to do with gangs, etc. etc. because as you say, on their own or around their families they behave in a totally different manner, so you have the denial that their child could be involved. Secondly, since the Stephen Lawrence/Damilola Taylor killings and the subsequent accusations of 'institutional' or individual racism on the part of the Police (the merits or none of which I'm not here to debate), in my opinion, I think that there is an increased attitude that this gang problem is 'not their fault' - playing the victim role themselves because it is mainly black kids involved and so there must be an element of racism from the police and authorities, schools are ignoring their needs and they lack equal opportunities because that's what they seriously believe. Instead of taking their opportunities, they prefer to go backwards and risk dying in some kind of multinational tribal warfare - because that's exactly what it is, tribal. The less intelligent or badly behaved probably bring the rest down to their level with ease compared to other areas and years gone. With many having little to no discipline at home or father figure and there’s more likelihood of rebellion or unruly mob behaviour that starts off being an irritating pain in the & rse after school or in school and continues through teenage years into this life destroying rubbish. Lack of opportunities. I agree. what complete bollox. There aren’t many places that’ll turn you down just because of the colour of your skin these days. Maybe other things included but not race alone.
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Teddy Eagle 06 Mar 19 8.49am | |
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Mar 19 9.10am | |
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Had a look on the BBS to see what their more liberal view was. Surprised to see just one reply to the OP. Maybe they can’t bring themselves to discuss the real reasons and causes of this illness, just like the politicians they share so much in common with. Turn the other cheek. You don’t have to face up to reality or oppose your beliefs.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Mar 19 9.16am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Numbers of Met. Police The only places in London I’d live in are affluent areas or I’d rather live in the suburbs now. But even then you might experience this stuff on a train or platform or venturing to a busier shopping area, although it’s not too difficult to avoid those most of the time. Avoid Morrison’s as well. You’re at risk of slipping on a pool of left mess and getting an injury. Can’t we just give them The Isle of Sheppey? Make it as ghetto or unwelcoming as they like. Edited by Rudi Hedman (06 Mar 2019 9.18am)
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Stirlingsays 06 Mar 19 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Had a look on the BBS to see what their more liberal view was. Surprised to see just one reply to the OP. Maybe they can’t bring themselves to discuss the real reasons and causes of this illness, just like the politicians they share so much in common with. Turn the other cheek. You don’t have to face up to reality or oppose your beliefs. Seconded.
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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Mar 19 10.22am | |
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We didn't have this problem only 10 years ago. It's essential to fund the police service again and youth centres re-opened, early engagement with a tough but fair message is vital, there can be no police intelligence without engagement. The tories austerity has brought the country to its knees over knife crime, it is far more important to me than brexit. There is no will at the top to repair the damage as it is an admission of failure. But that is all you get these days.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Mar 19 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We didn't have this problem only 10 years ago. It's essential to fund the police service again and youth centres re-opened, early engagement with a tough but fair message is vital, there can be no police intelligence without engagement. The tories austerity has brought the country to its knees over knife crime, it is far more important to me than brexit. There is no will at the top to repair the damage as it is an admission of failure. But that is all you get these days. If you’ve seen any of the masked gang members (I refuse to call them gangsters or gangstas) say on tv they’d rather earn £400 a day selling drugs outside than take home £1,400 a month or whatever it is then you have the answer as to why they will try anything to grab onto this lifestyle, even if it’s dangerous. These are the ones they should be rounding up and splitting up in prisons. Send them to prisons in different parts of the country. Take that violence away and there won’t be the fear trickling down and people carrying knives for protection. It is not because of the lack of police or just because there’s fewer community centres that this has blown up. It’s the lack of community involvement and the relaxed penal system. They know that nobody will inform the police where they live and that they’re selling rocks of crack under their window by the garages and that any punishment will be so easy and a badge of honour that they’re conditioned into thinking it’s par for the course. Lots of resources should be thrown st this because it’s so bad now and will only get worse but you can’t make accusations on the rest of society because one segment of a demographic has youths stabbing each other and nobody around them does anything. Take stop and search. They don’t like it, yet it’s in everyone’ interests, maybe even their kids when they have them. But they won’t think like that because the bag of herb or powder or pills in their pocket is of immediate importance. I’m getting tired of people not being responsible for themselves and in this case when you have individuals carrying knives in fear it’s the responsibility of these communities to start being responsible. Edited by Rudi Hedman (06 Mar 2019 12.01pm)
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Teddy Eagle 06 Mar 19 12.14pm | |
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Sadly I don’t think youth centres would do much to help. The kids going to them are often more likely to be the stabbed than the stabbing.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Mar 19 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
OK and because of that it's better to have less police? You keep saying this but do you actually know how an increase in police numbers would impact on crime? I don't see how even doubling the amount on police on the streets would tackle the fundamental issues that have caused the surge in knife crime. Do you think these kinds of people will stop because of a few more police? It's too late. We let all these immigrants come here and have their fatherless feral children while people like you told us we were all racists for saying it was a dumb idea.
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Pussay Patrol 06 Mar 19 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You keep saying this but do you actually know how an increase in police numbers would impact on crime? I don't see how even doubling the amount on police on the streets would tackle the fundamental issues that have caused the surge in knife crime. Do you think these kinds of people will stop because of a few more police? It's too late. We let all these immigrants come here and have their fatherless feral children while people like you told us we were all racists for saying it was a dumb idea. No the commissioner of police is saying that
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 06 Mar 19 12.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
No the commissioner of police is saying that
Do you accept that the majority of knife crime is committed by the black community. Yes or no?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Mar 19 1.15pm | |
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With regards to statistics, I’ve just seen bbc news present a fall in injuries from violence during the fall in police numbers. I don’t know if there’s a rise in people not reporting violent crime (like theft people don’t report as much these days seeing as nothing happens and insurance costs rise after claiming). If you are seriously injured then you’re going to need to go to hospital. Maybe the decline in young people binge drinking is a reason. But there is probably a rise in the viciousness of violent crime because of knives and weapons.
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