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Stirlingsays 22 Jan 19 9.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
Pol Pot wasn't really a follower of Marxism. The US bombing of Cambodia - a Country that wasn't at war with the US - had as much to do with the rise of Pol Pot as Communism did. Whereas Friedman was directly responsible for Pinochet. He was pretty much the guy's life coach. The freemarket experiment that Pinochet tried to implement was Friedmann's idea. Do you think that if Pol Pot was really a communist the American's and the UK would have tried to put him back in power? So the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Kampuchea from 1963 to 81 wasn't really a follower of Marx?....I mean when he joined that party it was literally called Labour and he helped change it to communist......But Ok......Because if foreign states see him as their man in preference to others....that means, in your head, that he's not a communist.
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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jan 19 10.21pm | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Bit odd that people are against killing the bloke who murdered millions of Jews and in the next breath accuse the empire of being on a par. The correct answer is that the Empire brought civilisation to the world and is something to be immensely proud of and Hitler was evil and any hypothetical chance to wipe him out should be taken. Simple as that. That is exactly what it isn't. Have you not read this thread? I'm glad you aren't a Time Lord.
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Bert the Head Epsom 22 Jan 19 11.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Kampuchea from 1963 to 81 wasn't really a follower of Marx?....I mean when he joined that party it was literally called Labour and he helped change it to communist......But Ok......Because if foreign states see him as their man in preference to others....that means, in your head, that he's not a communist. I don't deny he called himself a communist. I just cannot see how his actual actions have anything to do with Marx, nor can I see how the US and the UK would back a real communist. I can see why they/we backed a genocidal murderer, that was just the force of habit. But a communist. No way.
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Bert the Head Epsom 22 Jan 19 11.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Kampuchea from 1963 to 81 wasn't really a follower of Marx?....I mean when he joined that party it was literally called Labour and he helped change it to communist......But Ok......Because if foreign states see him as their man in preference to others....that means, in your head, that he's not a communist. "Because if foreign states see him as their man in preference to others" You are hiding behind Euphemism here. Instead of "foreign states" why don't you just say Maggie Thatcher and the US - after what he'd done in Cambodia - still saw Pol Pot as a preferable option to other options? So basically, what happened was the US and Maggie Thatcher thought a proven genocidal maniac was the "good guys" best option. But their best option was not really a communist. He had no interest in getting hold of the means of production. He wanted to take Cambodia back to year zero. I have read Marx but I don't remember that being suggested.
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Stirlingsays 22 Jan 19 11.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
"Because if foreign states see him as their man in preference to others" You are hiding behind Euphemism here. Instead of "foreign states" why don't you just say Maggie Thatcher and the US - after what he'd done in Cambodia - still saw Pol Pot as a preferable option to other options? So basically, what happened was the US and Maggie Thatcher thought a proven genocidal maniac was the "good guys" best option. But their best option was not really a communist. He had no interest in getting hold of the means of production. He wanted to take Cambodia back to year zero. I have read Marx but I don't remember that being suggested.
The whole killing fields situation isn't something I know much about in terms of foreign relations nor its connection to communism but I'm quite better versed in what those other Marxist communists did in Russia.....and lets just say that mass murder and communism weren't strangers. However, unlike you.....I don't claim to deny people's self descriptions as true unless I have a good reason for it......As for this implied idea that Marx supported mass murder....that's not what I've said or meant......However all authoritarian regimes require the oppression of opposition real or imagined.....When I said oppression the reality is murder. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Jan 2019 11.55pm)
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ChrisGC Wantage 23 Jan 19 8.33am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is exactly what it isn't. Have you not read this thread? I'm glad you aren't a Time Lord. Clue's in the title pal, what do you think is being discussed, the finer points of crown green bowls? Marx can have the bullet too for all I care, but Hitler is a definite. Edited by ChrisGC (23 Jan 2019 8.36am)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jan 19 9.20am | |
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I presume there would not be the same debate over Simon Cowell.
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 19 10.24am | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Clue's in the title pal, what do you think is being discussed, the finer points of crown green bowls? Marx can have the bullet too for all I care, but Hitler is a definite. Edited by ChrisGC (23 Jan 2019 8.36am) I see you have really thought this through. And I'm not your pal.
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becky over the moon 23 Jan 19 10.29am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I presume there would not be the same debate over Simon Cowell. ...or Sting
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 19 10.33am | |
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In the name of Love?
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ChrisGC Wantage 23 Jan 19 12.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I see you have really thought this through. Bang goes my ability to sleep at night!
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Stirlingsays 23 Jan 19 1.12pm | |
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With all the sh1te that's coming down the pipe in the coming decades for our descendants....lets hope that they know that they have to face in the same direction and not at each other. But for now...I guess it doesn't matter that much.
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