That one I did check. I at no point said it was incorrect, I asked for proof. Thank you for making my point for me so succinctly

I bet butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

#fullofs***

Bring back the bra adverts. Stop transport companies and employees bleeding us dry.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Nothing to do with bras, or women in them. It was fitness and bikinis. He hasn't seen fit to complain about half naked blokes advertising aftershave though, the sexist so and so.

Optimistic as ever

Have you ever asked yourself why you feel it necessary to defend them?
Had it occurred to you that the criticism is directed toward what some Muslims have done and the unacceptable nature of some Islamic attitudes rather than Muslims in general.
Or would you rather be an apologist for these things and claim that people are 'Islamophobic' just to stifle debate?

Yesterday a person in my extended family was mugged by a Black person in Croydon. Do I blame all Black people?
No
Are street muggings in Croydon almost always committed by Black people? Yep.
I know you would rather ignore that fact and come up with some old crap about poverty or upbringing and say nothing about personal responsibility or predisposition.

Sorry for the late reply I've been ill.

I didn't take it that personally I suppose I have a constant bee in my bonnet over the dynamics on the left's obsessive defence of Islam....Not forgetting that you have a perfect right to type that and this is just the cut and thrust of debate.

I think we are all sensitive nowadays because in my view identity politics is the inevitable consequence of demographic change and this is the path we are on. You feel you're defending a principle whereas I think that principle is in a sense from an era that's already past...I see the principle in it though. Still, as time goes on I think you'll see there's something in what I say.

Regardless when it comes to Khan this wasn't about Islam but you're right we criticise religion here. I'm amongst the harshest critic of Islam both its extreme but also to a lesser extent the expediency found in its mainstream.....But when it comes to secular Muslims my concern isn't really there. (though I know Khan makes advantage of of his demographic but he wouldn't be a politician if he didn't do that)

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2018 10.57am)

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