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silvertop Portishead 10 Nov 18 2.02pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well the Anglo Zulu war is something I own a couple of books about and the battle of Isandlwana a particular fascination...but never mind. As for 'evil empire'....Well....that war was locally created and started without the permission of the British state....But hell I'm observing what the left and that post modernistic thinking have done for this country and quite frankly I'd have that time back over what your lot have done. Hmm, historical fact... Hollywood..?
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Portishead 10 Nov 18 2.02pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well the Anglo Zulu war is something I own a couple of books about and the battle of Isandlwana a particular fascination...but never mind.

As for 'evil empire'....Well....that war was locally created and started without the permission of the British state....But hell I'm observing what the left and that post modernistic thinking have done for this country and quite frankly I'd have that time back over what your lot have done.

Hmm, historical fact... Hollywood..?

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 18 2.30pm
Originally posted by silvertop Hmm, historical fact... Hollywood..? Actually the film was a passion of Stanley Baker, because of the Welsh connection, and he was the producer. Apparently it is fairly close to the true story the main bone of contention the for the Zulus was at the end when they saluted the British, which they claim never happened. One more point
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Beckenham 10 Nov 18 2.30pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Hmm, historical fact... Hollywood..?

Actually the film was a passion of Stanley Baker, because of the Welsh connection, and he was the producer. Apparently it is fairly close to the true story the main bone of contention the for the Zulus was at the end when they saluted the British, which they claim never happened.

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 18 3.05pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Actually the film was a passion of Stanley Baker, because of the Welsh connection, and he was the producer. Apparently it is fairly close to the true story the main bone of contention the for the Zulus was at the end when they saluted the British, which they claim never happened. Much closer to the truth than most Hollywood treatments on the technical details of the battle if not the character stories......a lack of nighttime attacks (but that's understandable production wise) and the Zulus were right about the salute.....and the initial 'sacrifice' attack.....they excluded the 'finishing off' as well. A remake of Rorke's Drift is there to be made.....the true story has a lot of scope to be better than even the 'good' sixies movie. Though no doubt it won't be made by Hollywood due to their politically correct obsession over race. I'd also like a movie about the battle of Isandlwana....which is endlessly fascinating.....or even the whole Anglo Zulu war. I recently looked into the cost of visiting the Isandlwana battleground......pretty expensive but very popular. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Nov 2018 3.10pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Nov 18 3.05pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Much closer to the truth than most Hollywood treatments on the technical details of the battle if not the character stories......a lack of nighttime attacks (but that's understandable production wise) and the Zulus were right about the salute.....and the initial 'sacrifice' attack.....they excluded the 'finishing off' as well.

A remake of Rorke's Drift is there to be made.....the true story has a lot of scope to be better than even the 'good' sixies movie.

Though no doubt it won't be made by Hollywood due to their politically correct obsession over race.

I'd also like a movie about the battle of Isandlwana....which is endlessly fascinating.....or even the whole Anglo Zulu war.

I recently looked into the cost of visiting the Isandlwana battleground......pretty expensive but very popular.

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the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 10 Nov 18 6.11pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Trouble is it doesn't work both ways. A British black actor played one of Shakespeare's English kings for the RSC, cue admiring comments from the critics and luvvies, diversity etc. So it's OK for a black person to play a white role but god help you if you cast a white person in Othello. Edited by Badger11 (08 Nov 2018 8.32am) In terms of the roles available in the Shakespeare canon, there are something like 1200 speaking characters. I think three of those are explicitly identified as being African (Moorish or Moroccan) - and Othello is the only lead role. So if you really think that, say, Adrian Lester shouldn't play Hamlet, or Don Warrington King Lear, then what you really mean is that you want to effectively exclude black actors from Shakespearean productions... Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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Originally posted by Badger11

Trouble is it doesn't work both ways. A British black actor played one of Shakespeare's English kings for the RSC, cue admiring comments from the critics and luvvies, diversity etc. So it's OK for a black person to play a white role but god help you if you cast a white person in Othello.

Edited by Badger11 (08 Nov 2018 8.32am)

In terms of the roles available in the Shakespeare canon, there are something like 1200 speaking characters.

I think three of those are explicitly identified as being African (Moorish or Moroccan) - and Othello is the only lead role.

So if you really think that, say, Adrian Lester shouldn't play Hamlet, or Don Warrington King Lear, then what you really mean is that you want to effectively exclude black actors from Shakespearean productions...

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 18 7.50pm
Originally posted by the despotic banana In terms of the roles available in the Shakespeare canon, there are something like 1200 speaking characters. I think three of those are explicitly identified as being African (Moorish or Moroccan) - and Othello is the only lead role. So if you really think that, say, Adrian Lester shouldn't play Hamlet, or Don Warrington King Lear, then what you really mean is that you want to effectively exclude black actors from Shakespearean productions... I used Shakespeare as an example because it came up in the BBC documentary on Black Actors. I have no problems with people of any colour playing any role if they are good enough. In the same program Black American actors were complaining about Black British actors taking their jobs. It seems silly to me and it goes beyond colour into areas such as disability, gender etc. There is always someone complaining that the "role" can only be played by a certain type of person. And you are correct if we adopt that attitude then it will block non white people from the classics so lets have a level playing field. One more point
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Beckenham 10 Nov 18 7.50pm

Originally posted by the despotic banana

In terms of the roles available in the Shakespeare canon, there are something like 1200 speaking characters.

I think three of those are explicitly identified as being African (Moorish or Moroccan) - and Othello is the only lead role.

I used Shakespeare as an example because it came up in the BBC documentary on Black Actors. I have no problems with people of any colour playing any role if they are good enough. In the same program Black American actors were complaining about Black British actors taking their jobs.

It seems silly to me and it goes beyond colour into areas such as disability, gender etc. There is always someone complaining that the "role" can only be played by a certain type of person. And you are correct if we adopt that attitude then it will block non white people from the classics so lets have a level playing field.

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 18 8.09pm
Black people as a percentage of the population are what....about five percent. But personally I don't think that really matters. Essentially black people in Shakespeare should be down to the producers of the play. These are private productions....If they want to fill the roles with all blacks, asians or whites I really couldn't give a coco. People pay their ticket and they make their choice. A consideration of the audience makes sense to me.....for example if you are producing a Shakespeare play in a highly populated black area then it would make sense to have a high number of black actors. As long as these decisions are freely made by producers then that's fine.....they stand and fall by the decisions they make. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Nov 18 8.09pm

Black people as a percentage of the population are what....about five percent. But personally I don't think that really matters.

Essentially black people in Shakespeare should be down to the producers of the play. These are private productions....If they want to fill the roles with all blacks, asians or whites I really couldn't give a coco.

People pay their ticket and they make their choice.

A consideration of the audience makes sense to me.....for example if you are producing a Shakespeare play in a highly populated black area then it would make sense to have a high number of black actors.

As long as these decisions are freely made by producers then that's fine.....they stand and fall by the decisions they make.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 18 8.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Black people as a percentage of the population are what....about five percent. But personally I don't think that really matters. Essentially black people in Shakespeare should be down to the producers of the play. These are private productions....If they want to fill the roles with all blacks, asians or whites I really couldn't give a coco. People pay their ticket and they make their choice. A consideration of the audience makes sense to me.....for example if you are producing a Shakespeare play in a highly populated black area then it would make sense to have a high number of black actors. As long as these decisions are freely made by producers then that's fine.....they stand and fall by the decisions they make. Agreed. You probably put that better than my argument. One more point
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Beckenham 10 Nov 18 8.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Black people as a percentage of the population are what....about five percent. But personally I don't think that really matters.

People pay their ticket and they make their choice.

As long as these decisions are freely made by producers then that's fine.....they stand and fall by the decisions they make.

Agreed. You probably put that better than my argument.

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Stirlingsays 10 Nov 18 8.34pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed. You probably put that better than my argument. You made the general point first and I think it was a good one. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Nov 18 8.34pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed. You probably put that better than my argument.

You made the general point first and I think it was a good one.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Nov 18 12.40am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Black people as a percentage of the population are what....about five percent. But personally I don't think that really matters. Essentially black people in Shakespeare should be down to the producers of the play. These are private productions....If they want to fill the roles with all blacks, asians or whites I really couldn't give a coco. People pay their ticket and they make their choice. A consideration of the audience makes sense to me.....for example if you are producing a Shakespeare play in a highly populated black area then it would make sense to have a high number of black actors. As long as these decisions are freely made by producers then that's fine.....they stand and fall by the decisions they make. I can see it as the next crime prevention initiative. To try and stop kids joining gangs and tooling up with blades, take them to see an all-black cast performance of The Merry Wives of Windsor instead. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 11 Nov 18 12.40am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Black people as a percentage of the population are what....about five percent. But personally I don't think that really matters.

People pay their ticket and they make their choice.

As long as these decisions are freely made by producers then that's fine.....they stand and fall by the decisions they make.

I can see it as the next crime prevention initiative. To try and stop kids joining gangs and tooling up with blades, take them to see an all-black cast performance of The Merry Wives of Windsor instead.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Stirlingsays 11 Nov 18 12.49am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I can see it as the next crime prevention initiative. To try and stop kids joining gangs and tooling up with blades, take them to see an all-black cast performance of The Merry Wives of Windsor instead. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Nov 18 12.49am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 11 Nov 18 5.50am
Classic films aside, TV shows - i feel this show is timeless, a classic and so funny, yet it wouldn't be touched now, even tho it still holds up - Bottom. The 3rd series ended in 1995 - 23 years ago, that's crazy yet to me, it could air now and still feel up to date. Any other tv shows you feel wouldn't be touched now, no matter how good? This was once a quality forum....
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vancouver/croydon 11 Nov 18 5.50am

Classic films aside, TV shows - i feel this show is timeless, a classic and so funny, yet it wouldn't be touched now, even tho it still holds up - Bottom.

The 3rd series ended in 1995 - 23 years ago, that's crazy yet to me, it could air now and still feel up to date.

Any other tv shows you feel wouldn't be touched now, no matter how good?

This was once a quality forum....

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Mr Palaceman 11 Nov 18 7.43am
Originally posted by Vaibow Classic films aside, TV shows - i feel this show is timeless, a classic and so funny, yet it wouldn't be touched now, even tho it still holds up - Bottom. The 3rd series ended in 1995 - 23 years ago, that's crazy yet to me, it could air now and still feel up to date. Any other tv shows you feel wouldn't be touched now, no matter how good? Captain Pugwash... "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

11 Nov 18 7.43am

Originally posted by Vaibow

Classic films aside, TV shows - i feel this show is timeless, a classic and so funny, yet it wouldn't be touched now, even tho it still holds up - Bottom.

The 3rd series ended in 1995 - 23 years ago, that's crazy yet to me, it could air now and still feel up to date.

Any other tv shows you feel wouldn't be touched now, no matter how good?

Captain Pugwash...

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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