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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 Jul 18 8.34pm | |
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Originally posted by europalace
Does a wall of facts offend your tender sensibilities?
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Spiderman Horsham 26 Jul 18 8.40pm | |
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Originally posted by europalace
Tell that to the NHS where thousands of qualified staff who are EU citizens have already left. I hope you staying fit and healthy. Evidence? As I said in a previous post, EU Citizens are not counted in and out. So presumably you are getting your facts from the remain campaign or your friends in Brussels
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 Jul 18 8.41pm | |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
A referendum is also not a binding decision so the government have no obligation to follow through with Brexit. Brexit is a turning in to a f***ing disaster, whatever you voted back then we can all agree on that. People claiming others are sore losers because they want to avoid the catastrophic economic fallout that seems to be imminent is farcical. Sticking your fingers in your ears and claiming Brexit means Brexit and let’s crack on despite the consequences is short sighted and naive. Not everyone voted for the same kind of Brexit, claiming people knew what they voted for is b*llolcks, because we still have no f*cking clue what Brexit we are going to get. If a hard border between ROI and NI is going to happen, that is reason enough to stop Brexit. So if there's a "people's vote" and it doesn't go Remain's way, will you accept that or should we keep voting until we get the result the Remain camp (and the EU) want?
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Spiderman Horsham 26 Jul 18 8.47pm | |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
A referendum is also not a binding decision so the government have no obligation to follow through with Brexit. Brexit is a turning in to a f***ing disaster, whatever you voted back then we can all agree on that. People claiming others are sore losers because they want to avoid the catastrophic economic fallout that seems to be imminent is farcical. Sticking your fingers in your ears and claiming Brexit means Brexit and let’s crack on despite the consequences is short sighted and naive. Not everyone voted for the same kind of Brexit, claiming people knew what they voted for is b*llolcks, because we still have no f*cking clue what Brexit we are going to get. If a hard border between ROI and NI is going to happen, that is reason enough to stop Brexit. I think people voted for Brexit ie BREXIT. I knew exactly what I was voting for and would do the same again. How was the Irish border controlled before EU membership? This is a red herring that can be easily overcome if there was a political will rather than a will to stop a democratic decision
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 18 8.56pm | |
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Originally posted by europalace
The big difference is that when people voted for the referendum in 2016, they had no idea what an exit from the EU would look like. They imagined it but didn't know anything like the information they have now. Further more, after October when big decisions will be made by both the EU and UK on the real direction of the negotiations, British citizens will be in a far, far more informed position to make such a decision. Virtually no one even contemplated what the NI issues would be in 2016 and Farage & Johnson sneakily avoided that hot potato. Now people understand the nuances of that issue and also from the EU's perspective. So, regularly quoting 'how many referendums do we need' is just spreading spurious FUD. So, to answer your question, only 1 referendum is needed and that's the one AFTER people have a good idea of the issues involved through the negotiations of BOTH parties, both the UK & EU. That time is soon approaching. The one that occurred in 2016 should simply be put down to an administrative error and lacking in any concrete information for the electorate to make any kind of informed decision. Edited by europalace (26 Jul 2018 7.54pm) So if remain lose that one, will remainers want another or will they just finally f*** off and shut up.
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DanH SW2 26 Jul 18 9.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So if remain lose that one, will remainers want another or will they just finally f*** off and shut up. The whole thing is a f*cking shambles. All those that wanted it have jumped ship when the detail got too hard. You’ve got a Prime Minister who didn’t want it in the first place desperately trying to cling on to her job, a bespactled trouble maker on the sidelines talking a lot but not really saying anything, a weak opposition leader who secretly wants all this but won’t say it, and anyone with a modicum of sense and rationality somewhere in between as How Things Actually Work are vilified as ‘experts’ and the ‘elite’ not to be trusted. It’s absolutely f*cking nuts.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 26 Jul 18 9.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
So if there's a "people's vote" and it doesn't go Remain's way, will you accept that or should we keep voting until we get the result the Remain camp (and the EU) want? Exactly like they did in Denmark, Holland & Ireland
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 18 9.24pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
The whole thing is a f*cking shambles. All those that wanted it have jumped ship when the detail got too hard. You’ve got a Prime Minister who didn’t want it in the first place desperately trying to cling on to her job, a bespactled trouble maker on the sidelines talking a lot but not really saying anything, a weak opposition leader who secretly wants all this but won’t say it, and anyone with a modicum of sense and rationality somewhere in between as How Things Actually Work are vilified as ‘experts’ and the ‘elite’ not to be trusted. It’s absolutely f*cking nuts.
The idea that another referendum would produce an honest, well informed basis on which to vote is hilarious.
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DanH SW2 26 Jul 18 9.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The idea that another referendum would produce an honest, well informed basis on which to vote is hilarious. Everyone is far more informed now it’s getting down to the detail. If there was a second vote (which, on balance, I don’t think I do actually want) I think it would hold a lot more value than the first one.
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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jul 18 10.02pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Everyone is far more informed now it’s getting down to the detail. If there was a second vote (which, on balance, I don’t think I do actually want) I think it would hold a lot more value than the first one. You assume that most people understand the details, which they don't.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Jul 18 10.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You assume that most people understand the details, which they don't.
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Midlands Eagle 27 Jul 18 8.53am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Everyone is far more informed now it’s getting down to the detail. If there was a second vote (which, on balance, I don’t think I do actually want) I think it would hold a lot more value than the first one. If there was to be a second vote I would guess that quite a few Brexiteers would change their vote to "remain" not because they had changed their views on whether or not they wished to remain in the EC but on the basis that we have p1ss poor negotiators who are happy to lay down and let M Barnier trample all over them
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