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 Stuk  Top half 22 May 18 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Thats a bit like saying if people didn't go out to the pub on the weekend, getting drunk and causing trouble they would do the same at home? Not quite. Gambling in the same way online is not the same thing in the same way having a drink at the pub is the same as having a drink at home. The idea that you can walk into a betting shop with a few quid and walk out with several times that in a matter of minutes is the pull and is not replicated on a computer at home. If the bookies thought all their customers would simply go online rather than go to their shops, they would close all their shops in a heartbeat, why on earth would they continue to pay for premises, staff overheads, taxes when they can run the online site at a fraction of the cost? I don't know what you're getting at with your first two sentences. As for number 3 - The idea of making multiple times your stake is the pull, not the venue or the method of gambling. The lottery doesn't give you the cash for a jackpot minutes after the draw is made but you can bet your arse that you'll still be celebrating the win whether you've got a physical ticket or played in online, and both long before the cash is anywhere near your account or pocket. I mean why are there still Casinos, when far more people play games like poker online, rather than in them? It's because it's still profitable, the same as a physical bookies is. Edited by Stuk (22 May 2018 3.36pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Who's feeling sorry for the bookies? I've not mentioned their losses once. They sympathy will be with the employees who will lose their jobs as a result of this. To them it's their job, not a job off of the back of how many FOBTs there could be, or used to be, in a shop. And you can be damn sure that some of those employee around before the machines will lose their jobs too, and they won't be for the legislation then. Awww, poor employees in a setup that damages society and individual households when they’ll find retail employment elsewhere. Many of the bookie employees in the shops that had a sports and racing atmosphere and crowd will still have their jobs. I really do wonder if social conscience will be a thing of the past one day.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 3.56pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Awww, poor employees in a setup that damages society and individual households when they’ll find retail employment elsewhere. Many of the bookie employees in the shops that had a sports and racing atmosphere and crowd will still have their jobs. I really do wonder if social conscience will be a thing of the past one day. Oh yeah f*** them. So let's sack all pub and bar staff, and the people who brew and deliver the booze. Anyone who works in the horse racing industry, even if they only look after or ride the horses. Anyone who works in petrochemicals, oil, the weapons industries - armed forces etc etc. Some people might think your job does nothing for society. But we don't take jobs for society, we take them to pay the bills.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 4.03pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Oh yeah f*** them. So let's sack all pub and bar staff, and the people who brew and deliver the booze. Anyone who works in the horse racing industry, even if they only look after or ride the horses. Anyone who works in petrochemicals, oil, the weapons industries - armed forces etc etc. Some people might think your job does nothing for society. But we don't take jobs for society, we take them to pay the bills. Many have and will as societies evolve and improve living standards and well being aside from being able to buy designer labels and the latest gadgets. I’m all for British culture and values and some continental ones but blowing all your wages on Friday or even well before it isn’t one we should be proud of or support or maintain for the sake of the short term.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 4.51pm |
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You'll want legislation for maximum pricing then too by the looks of it, with your designer labels and gadgets comments. You seem to want every factor of life to be decided upon by someone else, or is that only for other people you want that to happen?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 4.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
You'll want legislation for maximum pricing then too by the looks of it, with your designer labels and gadgets comments. You seem to want every factor of life to be decided upon by someone else, or is that only for other people you want that to happen? Capitalism sometimes requires legislation, and it does in the case of the explosion in gambling. It’s all in the loss chasing that doesn’t exist elsewhere and FOBT’s exploit that with a Return To Player % that’s up to 15% lower than a real life casino. Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 May 2018 4.56pm)
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 5.10pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Capitalism sometimes requires legislation, and it does in the case of the explosion in gambling. It’s all in the loss chasing that doesn’t exist elsewhere and FOBT’s exploit that with a Return To Player % that’s up to 15% lower than a real life casino. Edited by Rudi Hedman (22 May 2018 4.56pm) I completely disagree as I've made abundantly clear. If it's yours you should be able to legally do what you like with it. If you want to play a machine that offers less returns than something else, that's your choice and/or fault. Equally when they price up a sporting event that is basically a two horse race at ridiculous odds, you don't tell the bookie that it might be quite costly if they've got things wrong, do you?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
I completely disagree as I've made abundantly clear. If it's yours you should be able to legally do what you like with it. If you want to play a machine that offers less returns than something else, that's your choice and/or fault. Equally when they price up a sporting event that is basically a two horse race at ridiculous odds, you don't tell the bookie that it might be quite costly if they've got things wrong, do you? Wow, what a conscience, which I’ve made abundantly clear. Good luck in being viewed positively in a social gathering with that kind of of view. Hopefully the government will continue to be responsible for its citizens other than receiving tax revenue earned from the ruin of others. Thread is done really.
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| Stuk Top half 22 May 18 7.22pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Wow, what a conscience, which I’ve made abundantly clear. Good luck in being viewed positively in a social gathering with that kind of of view. Hopefully the government will continue to be responsible for its citizens other than receiving tax revenue earned from the ruin of others. Thread is done really. Do you always get sanctimonious when you run out of reasoning? You mean you're done. Stop trying to dictate the discussion, or the closing of it at least.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 22 May 18 7.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Do you always get sanctimonious when you run out of reasoning? You mean you're done. Stop trying to dictate the discussion, or the closing of it at least. It’s done in terms of you believing FOBT’s should remain, no matter what the cost to society, the individuals and their dependents, and me not. You’re all heart. Aside from bookies you’re possibly in the well below 0.5% of people who think should remain. If you showed these machines in betting shops around the world then nobody would want them. In fact they don’t, bar possibly one other country. These differ to the other indulgences you mention in that they don’t have a loss chasing element.
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| paperhat croydon 23 May 18 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Another nail in the high street's coffin. All they've done is move more of the businesses, and therefore taxes and jobs, online and offshore. This quote does annoy me. The only reason it is becoming a problem for the high street is that the bookies have been allowed to expand at such a stupid unsustainable rate, all based on their profits from these FBT machines, as proven by them now scaremongering with the "we'll have to shut xxx branches now as they will become non-profitable"
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| Stuk Top half 23 May 18 1.13pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It’s done in terms of you believing FOBT’s should remain, no matter what the cost to society, the individuals and their dependents, and me not. You’re all heart. Aside from bookies you’re possibly in the well below 0.5% of people who think should remain. If you showed these machines in betting shops around the world then nobody would want them. In fact they don’t, bar possibly one other country. These differ to the other indulgences you mention in that they don’t have a loss chasing element. You sound like Reverend Lovejoy's wife. You can chase your losses in any type of gambling. If you want to make something illegal, do it. Don't set spending limits for something legal, unless you're going to do so for all their equivalents.
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