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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Dangermouse

Oh goody. When he explains it and they decide he's done wrong do we get awarded the three points?

With respect this is a ridiculous question.

The "Three points" we lost were down to Messrs Benteke and Sakho.

 

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Dangermouse Flag Hastings 01 Apr 18 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Dangermouse Add Dangermouse as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With respect this is a ridiculous question.

The "Three points" we lost were down to Messrs Benteke and Sakho.

Really. If Mane is rightly sent off does Salah still get that chance. If Mane is rightly sent off do we even create those two chances for Benteke. Tell me exactly how the game pans out, cos I don't know. What I do know is we would have won, drawn or lost. Just would have liked the chance to find out without the ref totally changing the course of the game.

Edited by Dangermouse (01 Apr 2018 12.55pm)

 


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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 01 Apr 18 1.29pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I totally refute the allegation that Swarbrick cheated in not awarding a second yellow card.I will certainly defend Swarbrick against this charge.One can only speculate as to his thinking but it was certainly not influenced by any so called "Big club bias" or external influences and all that hogwash.

He will have to explain his decision as part of his post-match analysis.

Edited by Willo (01 Apr 2018 12.43pm)


Oh the infamous post match 'forensic examination' of his performance where absolutely nothing happens, all sit round with a cup of tea and a few digestives and have a good laugh about how we f***ed up another game between the big boys and the little boys? Referees should be made to explain their decisions, post match, like managers do and they should be subject to disciplinary procedures when they make 'big errors' such as not following the laws of the game (also see Clattenberg re chelsea spurs last season). Will never happen nor will VAR as it would just prove how bad some of them are!!

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 1.36pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Dangermouse

Really. If Mane is rightly sent off does Salah still get that chance. If Mane is rightly sent off do we even create those two chances for Benteke. Tell me exactly how the game pans out, cos I don't know. What I do know is we would have won, drawn or lost. Just would have liked the chance to find out without the ref totally changing the course of the game.

Edited by Dangermouse (01 Apr 2018 12.55pm)

Precisely which is the point I have been making - we really don't know what would have been the effect of Liverpool going down to 10 men.

What we DO know is that Benteke fluffed two chances and Sakho was culpable for both goals.Sick and tired of these late winners at Home.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian


Oh the infamous post match 'forensic examination' of his performance where absolutely nothing happens, all sit round with a cup of tea and a few digestives and have a good laugh about how we f***ed up another game between the big boys and the little boys? Referees should be made to explain their decisions, post match, like managers do and they should be subject to disciplinary procedures when they make 'big errors' such as not following the laws of the game (also see Clattenberg re chelsea spurs last season). Will never happen nor will VAR as it would just prove how bad some of them are!!

Dear oh dear.
Let's have a serious debate and not rhetorical grandstanding about the post-match analysis.

Edited by Willo (01 Apr 2018 1.38pm)

 

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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 01 Apr 18 1.56pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Dear oh dear.
Let's have a serious debate and not rhetorical grandstanding about the post-match analysis.

Edited by Willo (01 Apr 2018 1.38pm)

we do try willo but you can only see one side, the referees side, you never ever admit that they may have made an error (ok you say they make general errors, but you NEVER comment on one specific error, like mark in the cup final or yesterdays failure to award a second
yellow)
As you are so in the know, maybe you should enlighten us as to waht the post match meeting does, does any ref ever get disciplined (yeh we know about atwell) have their match fee withheld, get demoted or just plain sacked???

PS where was the rhetorical grandstanding?? I cant see it!

Edited by the silurian (01 Apr 2018 1.57pm)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 2.15pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

we do try willo but you can only see one side, the referees side, you never ever admit that they may have made an error (ok you say they make general errors, but you NEVER comment on one specific error, like mark in the cup final or yesterdays failure to award a second
yellow)
As you are so in the know, maybe you should enlighten us as to waht the post match meeting does, does any ref ever get disciplined (yeh we know about atwell) have their match fee withheld, get demoted or just plain sacked???

PS where was the rhetorical grandstanding?? I cant see it!

Edited by the silurian (01 Apr 2018 1.57pm)

I of course have never attended such a post-match analysis for obvious reasons but I do know how they are conducted.

Each PL game is assessed 'Forensically' by a former senior referee who scrutinises every decision using the match footage and 'ProZone' to measure the officials’ technical performance. Match delegates assess the accuracy and consistency of decision making and their management of the match.I understand it is a vigorous evaluation with no stone left unturned.

We have witnessed a referee being demoted and clearly if a referee was consistently not performing to standard he would be removed from the Elite list.

 

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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 01 Apr 18 2.27pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I of course have never attended such a post-match analysis for obvious reasons but I do know how they are conducted.

Each PL game is assessed 'Forensically' by a former senior referee who scrutinises every decision using the match footage and 'ProZone' to measure the officials’ technical performance. Match delegates assess the accuracy and consistency of decision making and their management of the match.I understand it is a vigorous evaluation with no stone left unturned.

We have witnessed a referee being demoted and clearly if a referee was consistently not performing to standard he would be removed from the Elite list.

OK thank you...so if at his assessment Swarbrick is adjudged to have made a big error, what is his likely punishment? A fine? Demotion for a game? Of course, he is being judged by other referees who will obviously see things from his perspective! We have witnessed 1 referee being demoted, 1 out of all the referees over the years! Not very stringent then is it! Other than your good self, Souness is the only other pundit who believes he was correct in not booking and sending off mane, hopefully next weeks referee will see any handball by a Palace player as a simple error and let it go with no punishment, but I wont be holding my breath!

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Apr 18 2.34pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

OK thank you...so if at his assessment Swarbrick is adjudged to have made a big error, what is his likely punishment? A fine? Demotion for a game? Of course, he is being judged by other referees who will obviously see things from his perspective! We have witnessed 1 referee being demoted, 1 out of all the referees over the years! Not very stringent then is it! Other than your good self, Souness is the only other pundit who believes he was correct in not booking and sending off mane, hopefully next weeks referee will see any handball by a Palace player as a simple error and let it go with no punishment, but I wont be holding my breath!

Former senior referees are best qualified to assess the referee's technical performance.
And it is just not referees who are involved in the assessment - 'Match Delegates' consist of former managers and players who assess the consistency of decisions and management of the match.

 

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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 01 Apr 18 2.51pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Here we go again. Another thread hijacked and ruined. Time to close it down again.

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 01 Apr 18 2.54pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I of course have never attended such a post-match analysis for obvious reasons but I do know how they are conducted.

Each PL game is assessed 'Forensically' by a former senior referee who scrutinises every decision using the match footage and 'ProZone' to measure the officials’ technical performance. Match delegates assess the accuracy and consistency of decision making and their management of the match.I understand it is a vigorous evaluation with no stone left unturned.

We have witnessed a referee being demoted and clearly if a referee was consistently not performing to standard he would be removed from the Elite list.

An organisation not without controversy.

 

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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 01 Apr 18 3.00pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

So the ref gives us a free kick which wasn’t accidental handball, he just didn’t follow it through with a sending off...

 

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