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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 04 Apr 18 10.16am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
So Jeremy Corbyn's request for a measured, evidence-based response was in fact exactly what was needed... as did Trump who was in contact with Putin behind May's back. Nothing is ever definate but it's like the difference between civil and criminal court Jamie would have been able to tell us. The one thing I do take out of this is the Boris the Buffoon lied (again).
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 Badger11  Beckenham 04 Apr 18 3.51pm |
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The chap who is in charge of Porton Down is a scientist. Looks like a duck walks like a duck most of us would say it's a duck. A scientist would say ask for a DNA test before he agreed it was a duck. He was correct that it is not his job to say where it came from he also pointed out that the government had other intelligence (what ever that is). He gave a scientist's answer which may not be all the helpful except to Russia. For me nothing has changed Russia are still the prime suspect but we may never be able to prove they are guilty.
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| Stuk Top half 04 Apr 18 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The chap who is in charge of Porton Down is a scientist. Looks like a duck walks like a duck most of us would say it's a duck. A scientist would say ask for a DNA test before he agreed it was a duck. He was correct that it is not his job to say where it came from he also pointed out that the government had other intelligence (what ever that is). He gave a scientist's answer which may not be all the helpful except to Russia. For me nothing has changed Russia are still the prime suspect but we may never be able to prove they are guilty. Agreed, and there's several posters on this thread who are a sandwich short of a picnic.
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| npn Crowborough 04 Apr 18 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
So Jeremy Corbyn's request for a measured, evidence-based response was in fact exactly what was needed... Not sure I follow. All the fingers from various security services point east (based on whatever info they have that we'll never see), and the experts in chemical warfare say they won't be able to say for sure where it came from. That's hardly exonerating anyone, it's simply saying it's not traceable to that level - it's a chemical, military grade, I imagine the process and ingredients are well known in the right circles, so anyone with the right info, ingredients, and equipment could have actually done the manufacturing, but to be honest that's not that important - even if they ascertained it was made in Russia it wouldn't prove it was administered on Putin's orders or even by the Russians.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 04 Apr 18 5.22pm |
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Our foreign policy should be based on reason, careful examination of the evidence and employing diplomacy, not rushing headlong into a conflict with a heavily armed superpower. The foreign secretary has opted for the latter, he has lied to the public again and the results are a complete breakdown in relations. The PM has no control over him it seems.
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| npn Crowborough 04 Apr 18 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Our foreign policy should be based on reason, careful examination of the evidence and employing diplomacy, not rushing headlong into a conflict with a heavily armed superpower. The foreign secretary has opted for the latter, he has lied to the public again and the results are a complete breakdown in relations. The PM has no control over him it seems. so do you believe there's no truth in the Russian connection?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 04 Apr 18 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by npn
so do you believe there's no truth in the Russian connection? I just don't know like most people?
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| npn Crowborough 04 Apr 18 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I just don't know like most people? Do you have an opinion on balance of probabilities? You seem to be castigating the powers that be (who have FAR more info than we do) for reaching a conclusion, I'm just interested in what you think is the likely cause, since you're reluctant to accept what the experts say (except citing the scientist who says that he cannot conclusively prove the source of the chemical used as some sort of debunking of the official line)?
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 04 Apr 18 6.39pm |
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Originally posted by npn
so do you believe there's no truth in the Russian connection? That's not what his post stated.
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europalace  Europe 04 Apr 18 6.45pm |
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Innocent until proven 100% guilty. That's UK law and justice isn't it? So why isn't it aplied when a foreign entity is involved? Still, it's being used to take the focus away from a disasterous brexit 'negotiation' that's gone played virtually all the way into EU hands.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Apr 18 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
Innocent until proven 100% guilty. That's UK law and justice isn't it? So why isn't it aplied when a foreign entity is involved? Still, it's being used to take the focus away from a disasterous brexit 'negotiation' that's gone played virtually all the way into EU hands. That's for a court case....though it isn't and has never been 100 percent guilty...that's subjective and not required. Requirements for a conviction in court shouldn't be used as criticism over common sense speculation. Like the last highly probable Russian state murder carried out in these lands it's likely that the Russian state would not release any suspect to the UK to even stand trial. The Mafia state isn't interested in self flagellation once it's been caught. Your summary of Brexit is laughable. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Apr 2018 7.05pm)
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johnno42000  04 Apr 18 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That's for a court case....though it isn't and has never been 100 percent guilty...that's subjective and not required. Requirements for a conviction in court shouldn't be used as criticism over common sense speculation. Like the last highly probable Russian state murder carried out in these lands it's likely that the Russian state would not release any suspect to the UK to even stand trial. The Mafia state isn't interested in self flagellation once it's been caught. Your summary of Brexit is laughable. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Apr 2018 7.05pm)
Personally I think the weight of evidence should be more than is required in a court of law for a conviction when you are dealing with another country. Edited by johnno42000 (04 Apr 2018 7.18pm)
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