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johnno42000 03 Feb 18 5.31pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How are these people having to live? From this report roughly 7.3% living in persistent poverty [Link] . From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report - One in five people living in poverty in the UK including 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners. [Link] From the Shelter report - 4,500 people are living sleeping rough and around 300,000 do not have a permanent home i.e homeless [Link] Poverty is real in the UK it may not be absolute poverty, although some people do find themselves in this state, but is real nonetheless and I very much doubt he has a clue about it. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.32pm) Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.34pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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03 Feb 18 5.31pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How are these people having to live?

From this report roughly 7.3% living in persistent poverty [Link] .

From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report - One in five people living in poverty in the UK including 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners. [Link]

From the Shelter report - 4,500 people are living sleeping rough and around 300,000 do not have a permanent home i.e homeless [Link]

Poverty is real in the UK it may not be absolute poverty, although some people do find themselves in this state, but is real nonetheless and I very much doubt he has a clue about it.

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.32pm)

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.34pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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leifandersonshair Newport 03 Feb 18 5.48pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt To you, perhaps. To others, like me, many of his views are absolutely on the money. Fortunately, those who agree with him are very much in the minority in the UK as a whole. Although, sadly, in the majority on this board
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

To you, perhaps. To others, like me, many of his views are absolutely on the money.

Fortunately, those who agree with him are very much in the minority in the UK as a whole. Although, sadly, in the majority on this board

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steeleye20 Croydon 03 Feb 18 6.23pm
This site is representative of what you would expect of a football site, go to West Ham etc. much the same. It is not representative of society thank God.
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Croydon 03 Feb 18 6.23pm

This site is representative of what you would expect of a football site, go to West Ham etc. much the same.

It is not representative of society thank God.

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chris123 hove actually 03 Feb 18 6.24pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 From this report roughly 7.3% living in persistent poverty [Link] . From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report - One in five people living in poverty in the UK including 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners. [Link] From the Shelter report - 4,500 people are living sleeping rough and around 300,000 do not have a permanent home i.e homeless [Link] Poverty is real in the UK it may not be absolute poverty, although some people do find themselves in this state, but is real nonetheless and I very much doubt he has a clue about it. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.32pm) Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.34pm) I think this has been debated before - but taking a point that is a percentage of a median is quite clumsy.
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hove actually 03 Feb 18 6.24pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

From this report roughly 7.3% living in persistent poverty [Link] .

From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report - One in five people living in poverty in the UK including 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners. [Link]

From the Shelter report - 4,500 people are living sleeping rough and around 300,000 do not have a permanent home i.e homeless [Link]

Poverty is real in the UK it may not be absolute poverty, although some people do find themselves in this state, but is real nonetheless and I very much doubt he has a clue about it.

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.32pm)

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.34pm)

I think this has been debated before - but taking a point that is a percentage of a median is quite clumsy.

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johnno42000 03 Feb 18 6.32pm
Originally posted by chris123 I think this has been debated before - but taking a point that is a percentage of a median is quite clumsy. That is your opinion but I think the average person would be blind not to see poverty is alive and (un)well in the UK. My point is Rees-Mogg and many MP's simply do not know how bad it is for some people as they live in a totally different environment from where the poverty is. That isn't just Tories. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.34pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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03 Feb 18 6.32pm

Originally posted by chris123

I think this has been debated before - but taking a point that is a percentage of a median is quite clumsy.

That is your opinion but I think the average person would be blind not to see poverty is alive and (un)well in the UK. My point is Rees-Mogg and many MP's simply do not know how bad it is for some people as they live in a totally different environment from where the poverty is. That isn't just Tories.

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.34pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 18 6.33pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 From this report roughly 7.3% living in persistent poverty [Link] . From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report - One in five people living in poverty in the UK including 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners. [Link] From the Shelter report - 4,500 people are living sleeping rough and around 300,000 do not have a permanent home i.e homeless [Link] Poverty is real in the UK it may not be absolute poverty, although some people do find themselves in this state, but is real nonetheless and I very much doubt he has a clue about it. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.32pm) Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.34pm) So what? The state is responsible for a safety net with minimum standards for those responsible enough to use that help responsibility. That state is not responsible for sorting out problems in an individual's life. Those who push cradle to grave expectations onto the state and then demonise that state are people with their heads stuck firmly.....up their cuckoo land. We have too many people in this country...our infrastructure hasn't coped for many years.....that explains some of these problems. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2018 6.34pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Feb 18 6.33pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

From this report roughly 7.3% living in persistent poverty [Link] .

From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report - One in five people living in poverty in the UK including 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners. [Link]

From the Shelter report - 4,500 people are living sleeping rough and around 300,000 do not have a permanent home i.e homeless [Link]

Poverty is real in the UK it may not be absolute poverty, although some people do find themselves in this state, but is real nonetheless and I very much doubt he has a clue about it.

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.32pm)

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.34pm)

So what?

The state is responsible for a safety net with minimum standards for those responsible enough to use that help responsibility.

That state is not responsible for sorting out problems in an individual's life.

Those who push cradle to grave expectations onto the state and then demonise that state are people with their heads stuck firmly.....up their cuckoo land.

We have too many people in this country...our infrastructure hasn't coped for many years.....that explains some of these problems.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2018 6.34pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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matt_himself Matataland 03 Feb 18 6.35pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 From this report roughly 7.3% living in persistent poverty [Link] . From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report - One in five people living in poverty in the UK including 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners. [Link] From the Shelter report - 4,500 people are living sleeping rough and around 300,000 do not have a permanent home i.e homeless [Link] Poverty is real in the UK it may not be absolute poverty, although some people do find themselves in this state, but is real nonetheless and I very much doubt he has a clue about it. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.32pm) Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.34pm) When he was on Question Time, he said that if he was in charge of government, he would address housing as his first priority because he believes it to be the most pressing issue facing Britain at the moment. With regards poverty, it is relative. Benefits are paid to people via £500 smartphones. Go to Africa or India, see people living by open sewers, missing limbs and then me we have poverty. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 03 Feb 18 6.35pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

From this report roughly 7.3% living in persistent poverty [Link] .

From the Joseph Rowntree Foundation report - One in five people living in poverty in the UK including 4 million children and 1.9 million pensioners. [Link]

From the Shelter report - 4,500 people are living sleeping rough and around 300,000 do not have a permanent home i.e homeless [Link]

Poverty is real in the UK it may not be absolute poverty, although some people do find themselves in this state, but is real nonetheless and I very much doubt he has a clue about it.

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.32pm)

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 5.34pm)

When he was on Question Time, he said that if he was in charge of government, he would address housing as his first priority because he believes it to be the most pressing issue facing Britain at the moment.

With regards poverty, it is relative. Benefits are paid to people via £500 smartphones. Go to Africa or India, see people living by open sewers, missing limbs and then me we have poverty.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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johnno42000 03 Feb 18 6.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays So what? The state is responsible for a safety net with minimum standards for those responsible enough to use that help responsibility. That state is not responsible for sorting out problems in an individual's life. Those who push cradle to grave expectations onto the state and then demonise that state are people with their heads stuck firmly.....up their cuckoo land. We have too many people in this country...our infrastructure hasn't coped for many years.....that explains some of these problems. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2018 6.34pm) If you can say 'so what' regarding children and pensioners in poverty than I'm disappointed as I thought better of you Stirling. My point about Rees-Mogg is explained in the post above yours. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.39pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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johnno42000

03 Feb 18 6.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So what?

The state is responsible for a safety net with minimum standards for those responsible enough to use that help responsibility.

That state is not responsible for sorting out problems in an individual's life.

Those who push cradle to grave expectations onto the state and then demonise that state are people with their heads stuck firmly.....up their cuckoo land.

We have too many people in this country...our infrastructure hasn't coped for many years.....that explains some of these problems.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2018 6.34pm)

If you can say 'so what' regarding children and pensioners in poverty than I'm disappointed as I thought better of you Stirling.

My point about Rees-Mogg is explained in the post above yours.

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.39pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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johnno42000 03 Feb 18 6.38pm
Originally posted by matt_himself When he was on Question Time, he said that if he was in charge of government, he would address housing as his first priority because he believes it to be the most pressing issue facing Britain at the moment. With regards poverty, it is relative. Benefits are paid to people via £500 smartphones. Go to Africa or India, see people living by open sewers, missing limbs and then me we have poverty. That's why I said it was not absolute poverty except in some cases. Children are still going hungry in this country. Pensioners are still suffering freezing conditions. Relative to absolute but terrible as well. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.39pm) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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johnno42000

03 Feb 18 6.38pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

With regards poverty, it is relative. Benefits are paid to people via £500 smartphones. Go to Africa or India, see people living by open sewers, missing limbs and then me we have poverty.

That's why I said it was not absolute poverty except in some cases. Children are still going hungry in this country. Pensioners are still suffering freezing conditions. Relative to absolute but terrible as well.

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.39pm)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 18 7.10pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 If you can say 'so what' regarding children and pensioners in poverty than I'm disappointed as I thought better of you Stirling. My point about Rees-Mogg is explained in the post above yours. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.39pm) Every child who is born here is provided some of the best automatic welfare in the world. The pensions pensioners receive here is also high compared to most countries in the world. You can be as disappointed as you like. Your criticisms are head in the clouds stuff. No taxpayer is responsible for another's lifestyle outside of a safety net. They should be looking after their own family.....I would add to this though that this should also include being responsible for their own familiy's elderly....because I regard too many of them as palming off responsibility that traditionally fell to families to the state......which is essentially the taxpayer. The state should be looking to ensure there is equality of opportunity and a decent safety net for those who aren't capable.....a safety net, not a lifestyle. It is the responsibility of the individual to sort their own life out. It is the responsibility of the state to provide an environment that enables them to do so. If people make bad choices that's their fault...but we have a safety net...it is not the fault of those that were lucky or made good choices. That's it. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2018 7.15pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

03 Feb 18 7.10pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

If you can say 'so what' regarding children and pensioners in poverty than I'm disappointed as I thought better of you Stirling.

My point about Rees-Mogg is explained in the post above yours.

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.39pm)

Every child who is born here is provided some of the best automatic welfare in the world.

The pensions pensioners receive here is also high compared to most countries in the world.

You can be as disappointed as you like. Your criticisms are head in the clouds stuff.

No taxpayer is responsible for another's lifestyle outside of a safety net. They should be looking after their own family.....I would add to this though that this should also include being responsible for their own familiy's elderly....because I regard too many of them as palming off responsibility that traditionally fell to families to the state......which is essentially the taxpayer.

The state should be looking to ensure there is equality of opportunity and a decent safety net for those who aren't capable.....a safety net, not a lifestyle.

It is the responsibility of the individual to sort their own life out. It is the responsibility of the state to provide an environment that enables them to do so.

If people make bad choices that's their fault...but we have a safety net...it is not the fault of those that were lucky or made good choices.

That's it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2018 7.15pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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chris123 hove actually 03 Feb 18 7.28pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 That is your opinion but I think the average person would be blind not to see poverty is alive and (un)well in the UK. My point is Rees-Mogg and many MP's simply do not know how bad it is for some people as they live in a totally different environment from where the poverty is. That isn't just Tories. Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.34pm) Agreed, my opinion, but happy to hear the counter view. The median low end includes people whose only income is benefits, and the top end includes income, but not wealth. The raw data is adjusted to allow for incompleteness and not regional. So have never been convinced that below this number you're living in poverty and above you're not.
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hove actually 03 Feb 18 7.28pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Edited by johnno42000 (03 Feb 2018 6.34pm)

Agreed, my opinion, but happy to hear the counter view. The median low end includes people whose only income is benefits, and the top end includes income, but not wealth. The raw data is adjusted to allow for incompleteness and not regional. So have never been convinced that below this number you're living in poverty and above you're not.

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 18 7.29pm
The world is too full of people pushing and believing in comforting lies instead of the reality of unpleasant truths. Life isn't fair and never has been. This country is amongst the best to be born into in this world. Those who slag this country off haven't got a scooby. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 18 7.29pm

The world is too full of people pushing and believing in comforting lies instead of the reality of unpleasant truths.

Life isn't fair and never has been. This country is amongst the best to be born into in this world.

Those who slag this country off haven't got a scooby.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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