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jamiemartin721  Reading 23 Oct 17 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Doesn't make them Communists though. I'm quite interested in Marxism, I'm not a communist either and never have been. The entire Labour party and trade unions basis is in Marx, but they're not communists.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 23 Oct 17 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Well said. He says everything well. But that doesn't always make it right. Humans? A good subject of debate.
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| .TUX. 23 Oct 17 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
He says everything well. But that doesn't always make it right. Humans? A good subject of debate. Jamie's pretty much closer to the truth than many here imo.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Oct 17 8.01pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Jamie's pretty much closer to the truth than many here imo. There is no good and bad in nature but I'm sure human morality has a practical function which could impact on evolution.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 Oct 17 11.11pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Rubbish. Trash & Recycling. Very good Money to be made a real untapped market.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Oct 17 9.58am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is no good and bad in nature but I'm sure human morality has a practical function which could impact on evolution. There is no good and bad, overall really, they're all subjective definitions based on our capacity for language, and inherited cultural biases - pretty much everything really is based in a contextual understanding in defining why its good or bad.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Oct 17 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
There is no good and bad, overall really, they're all subjective definitions based on our capacity for language, and inherited cultural biases - pretty much everything really is based in a contextual understanding in defining why its good or bad. True. The subject of human morality and how it relates to evolutionary advantage is very interesting, particularly as it varies so much even between individuals without reinforcement.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 24 Oct 17 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
There is no good and bad, overall really, they're all subjective definitions based on our capacity for language, and inherited cultural biases - pretty much everything really is based in a contextual understanding in defining why its good or bad.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Oct 17 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Hahaha - I think its a bad thing, some people think its a good thing. What matters though is the capacity of people to frame good and bad in a contextual manner to demonstrate whether its good, bad, right or wrong to others. What matters, really isn't what I think, but my capacity to express that thought to others at which point values of good and bad become irrelivent, its about how well I can make that argument.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Oct 17 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
True. The subject of human morality and how it relates to evolutionary advantage is very interesting, particularly as it varies so much even between individuals without reinforcement. Oddly, I would suggest that Morality and Ethics might not be an evolutionary advantage to the individual, but maybe to the species, and genetic diversity as a whole. Morality and Ethics probably make it harder to pass on your own genetic material, but over time they ensure a wider and more diverse genetic pool. Especially, as the history of morals and ethics generally have been towards increasing individuals capacity. For example, changes in racial and womens rights, led to greater sexual liberation, and wider diversity of sexual partners.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 24 Oct 17 5.35pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hahaha - I think its a bad thing, some people think its a good thing. What matters though is the capacity of people to frame good and bad in a contextual manner to demonstrate whether its good, bad, right or wrong to others. What matters, really isn't what I think, but my capacity to express that thought to others at which point values of good and bad become irrelivent, its about how well I can make that argument. So the, what I would call 'crimes' of Ian Brady are neither bad nor good? Why did the law bother punishing him? Surely in your view he did nothing 'wrong' as you don't believe in the concept.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Oct 17 5.43pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
So the, what I would call 'crimes' of Ian Brady are neither bad nor good? Why did the law bother punishing him? Surely in your view he did nothing 'wrong' as you don't believe in the concept.
He's right of course.....but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't hold positions upon your thinking. Just as you prefer putting an ice cream in you mouth as opposed to an iron bar.....what pushes us towards positive things is seen as preferable to negative things...for us...whether as individuals or a group. So until there comes a time when we think it's somehow a useful thing to do the terrible crimes of Brady and Hindley well.....we view them as bad....very bad. If that had been my child I'd have had to have found a way to get at him.
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