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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Oct 17 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
SP took 6 weeks to due come to a decision as to a new manager. We must hold the record! The rest as they say is history. It was more important to take Zaha on holiday a day or two after Sam resigning. I mean all chairmen do it. Don't they?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Oct 17 1.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
Makes a nice story, but there is no evidence of any truth in the Silva and Dyche part. So if you are right, that Dyche and Silva laughed us off, which I doubt both did, then Parish was waiting for Southampton to choose their manager and effectively ours. It's not a coincidence we both announced our managers within 48 hours of each other. Because of all that we ended up with the one successful at the biggest club in his country, in a tinpot league McLaren won and a year after being sacked asap in Italy. It looked odd to me then as it does now. I can only think it was either to do with time pressure if not for Frank's BS in interview. But then Frank wouldn't bullsh1t, would he?
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Palace in the Blood 02 Oct 17 1.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Must say Dyche has got Burnely playing very well. Also looks to have made good signings. unfortunately we have tried to run before we can walk Much as I think Sakho and Benteke are great players I feel that by paying such a large proportion of our budget on these two the squad is paper thin elsewhere. Dyche has built on Burnley's lower table squad by purchasing some hard working lower to mid table EPL players. This was what we needed to do. Whose fault ? Who knows. Picking up afew points of other posts. DF was very close to sack when we lost to BC in cup. Delaney, Bolasie and afew others then joined and we started to climb. However in my view DF has shown in other positions he is not a good manager. He got lucky so why is he back as Director of Football Pullis wanted his own players which in someways is fine but SP wanted a resale value players like crouch didn't offer that. Also Pullis didn't want Zaha. Pardew did fine first season and first part of second. Then the train hit the buffers. We suffered injuries particularly to Bolasie and that hurt us. We got to cup final and lost slightly unluckily. I think the mistake was then an attempt to change style and rather than trying to increase depth of squad we bought Benteke and Townsend and also sold Bolasie. Bolasie wanted to go no doubt but the previous few months had shown our backup wingers were not adequate so effectively he wasn't replaced. Rather than spending Bolasie money on Benteke we should have got 2 good pros. Left Back problems who could have foretold he would be involved in the car crash. FDB I think was given money to spend, he just didn't spend it. I think he was told you have £40-£50 million We suggest Sakho, but by deadline day we had 1 player and 2 loanees and no-0ne had left. We had lost our games and he didn't seem to be learning lessons of EPL. So I think that is point SP and DF took over and got Sakho and tried to get striker over line. Can we get out of this mess? I think we can. But players like Ward, Hennessey Puncheon are who we have, there is no point in moaning. There confidence is low so support them rather than slag them off
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Oct 17 1.44pm | |
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Oh I support when I go, until everyone goes quiet. I might be close to just being silent from the off though.
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the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 02 Oct 17 1.47pm | |
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1. Experienced Premier League managers like Pulis and Allardyce would rather defenestrate than spend another season with us. Issues like these will continue to undermine the current and future manager(s). Edited by the despotic banana (02 Oct 2017 1.48pm)
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Croydon Sunset London 02 Oct 17 1.59pm | |
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Good post, some very relevant points made. Originally posted by tonymikejoe
If anyone wants a breakdown of the figures, here is our league record since the moment Yannick Bolasie injured himself celebrating Chungy's winner at Stoke City just before Xmas 2015. Won : 14
I think the YB injury did hurt us and that was also the season we jettisoned Glenn Murray and by mid-season had hired footballing mercenary Emmanuel Adebayor. As important people declined (Jedi) in other areas we made terrible signings (Alex McCarthy) Remember him? and suddenly people like Patrick Bamford, who were never, ever going to be Palace were on board. We have lost a core group and failed to replace them with players of the same mentality and toughness with a point to prove. We lack Leaders and Winners........
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alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 02 Oct 17 2.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Painter
Makes a nice story, but there is no evidence of any truth in the Silva and Dyche part. We discussed Silva before, he was always going to Watford.
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silvertop Portishead 02 Oct 17 2.34pm | |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
SP took 6 weeks to due come to a decision as to a new manager. We must hold the record! The rest as they say is history.
The big clubs take about a year over prospective new managers and players for full due diligence. That includes a full stress test, serious courting, secret discussions with agents etc. If nothing comes of it as the manager performs, both stay in their current role and no-one is any the wiser. We weren't prepared as, unlike Watford who had clearly planned for this, we were completely taken by surprise. 6 weeks is not a record for slowness; it is the blink of an eye compared to the time and effort that normally goes into selecting a successor.
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silvertop Portishead 02 Oct 17 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It was more important to take Zaha on holiday a day or two after Sam resigning. I mean all chairmen do it. Don't they?
There are better reasons for criticising the management than this clutch at straws.
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silvertop Portishead 02 Oct 17 2.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The left back debacle happened for 2 reasons. 1. When we're waiting to do a big deal, which we could do a little earlier and end up paying the same, we, for some reason, can't do another one. And money isn't an excuse because after signing Benteke we would only be spending £10 mil net. We then spent more in January than we would've done in the first place. Similar with Sakho and no striker and prepared to put up over £10 mil for a striker. 2. Parish and Pardew were too close so a left back wasn't raised, or wasn't needed in their collective view and non challenging relationship. I do wonder what freedman was advising as the deadline was getting closer and we weren't making enough moves in getting a striker in. Edited by Rudi Hedman (02 Oct 2017 1.19pm)
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 02 Oct 17 3.10pm | |
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Originally posted by NickinOX
This is about more than the manager. Since January of 2016 we have played 64 league games and scored 52 points. If that was not bad enough, take out Sahko last season (and that miraculous spell of results) and it is played 56 and scored 36 points. There is something more fundamentally wrong than just the manager, playing style, etc. Sam made it clear that the players were not listening to him and that is took a monumental slice of luck to get the results we did to stay up. FDB also made similar comments about player power, and whatever one thinks of him his spotlighting Mutch, Ward, Delaney, Hennessey, and Lee as not being good enough was not wrong. Yet, they are all still at the club. this may be the case. Funny that when FDB criticised the players plenty of fans rounded on him saying it was bang out of order and poor management. The truth is too much for some people.
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Midlands Eagle 02 Oct 17 3.26pm | |
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Originally posted by alaneagle1
And we all wanted Zaha to sign because he was going to leave again.? So he's just another mercenary
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