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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Pretty good move. Why have a public ROW about Brexit at this moment in time? We don't really have a Scooby as to what it entails anyway. Theres a broad range of Remainers and leavers in both parties. Labour can say that Theresa May has endorsed their idea for a transition period but the ball is in the Tories court. They were the ones that brought about Brexit, they are the ones who are in charge.

It's good that delegates get to choose the agenda. Labour is a grassroots organization. It's only right that rank and file members have a say.

What does that mean?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 4.16pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What does that mean?

It's lead by it's members. They set the agenda.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's lead by it's members. They set the agenda.

But many of them are crypto-communists.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.25pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's lead by it's members. They set the agenda.

They don't set the agenda for what the public thinks of labour again ducking the foremost subject of our age.

How then would they govern, by completely ignoring brexit?

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

They don't set the agenda for what the public thinks of labour again ducking the foremost subject of our age.

How then would they govern, by completely ignoring brexit?

I think Labour are potentially more split over the EU than the Tories. There is a strong anti-EU left wing element (that Corbyn used to be openly part of). Then you have the real hardcore Remainers in the party too (Lib Dems in red clothing).

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 4.48pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I think Labour are potentially more split over the EU than the Tories. There is a strong anti-EU left wing element (that Corbyn used to be openly part of). Then you have the real hardcore Remainers in the party too (Lib Dems in red clothing).

Which is why it is the politically astute thing to do.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 4.53pm

One of our own.


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.TUX. Flag 25 Sep 17 5.03pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

They don't set the agenda for what the public thinks of labour again ducking the foremost subject of our age.

How then would they govern, by completely ignoring brexit?

Hardly.
Stagnating wages, a lack of affordable housing, high energy bills, pension reductions and the ever increasing reliance on credit are probably far higher on many peoples lists for the past few years, ie things that really matter......imo.

As for Labour not mentioning it? Because there's absolutely no point at this moment in time.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 25 Sep 17 5.06pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I am thinking Phillip Hammond as next PM as a sane candidate and a narrow Tory win next time.

Anyone think the same?

 

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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 25 Sep 17 5.17pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Pretty good move. Why have a public ROW about Brexit at this moment in time? We don't really have a Scooby as to what it entails anyway. Theres a broad range of Remainers and leavers in both parties. Labour can say that Theresa May has endorsed their idea for a transition period but the ball is in the Tories court. They were the ones that brought about Brexit, they are the ones who are in charge.

It's good that delegates get to choose the agenda. Labour is a grassroots organization. It's only right that rank and file members have a say.

I'd like to be fair to Labour. I know they're pretty short on grey matter, but surely even they can't be so gullible as to believe that if they blatantly refuse to discuss the biggest political issue of the day at their annual Conference, the public won't see that it's because they're trying to hide the split in the Party. Politicians who treat the electorate like fools - as people like McDonnell have been doing today - do so at their peril.

 

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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 25 Sep 17 5.19pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I am thinking Phillip Hammond as next PM as a sane candidate and a narrow Tory win next time.

Anyone think the same?

No. Hammond marginally more bearable to the average voter than Mogg or Johnson, but will have the same issue Gordon Brown had- hard to be seen as a capable leader when your time as chancellor was pretty poor (austerity, rocketing debt, stagnating wages- rightly or wrongly, as chancellor EVERYTHING to do with the economy becomes your fault).

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 5.21pm

Originally posted by JRW2

I'd like to be fair to Labour. I know they're pretty short on grey matter, but surely even they can't be so gullible as to believe that if they blatantly refuse to discuss the biggest political issue of the day at their annual Conference, the public won't see that it's because they're trying to hide the split in the Party. Politicians who treat the electorate like fools - as people like McDonnell have been doing today - do so at their peril.

how has McDonnell been treating the electorate like fools today?

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Edited by nickgusset (25 Sep 2017 5.32pm)

 

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