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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Sep 17 9.30am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
You don't have a clue what you are talking about and are being deliberately obtuse as we aren't discussing what you want us to discuss so you just pretend that we are. For the umpteenth time I was answering a specific point that had absolutely nothing to do with what you are waffling about. Comments like "If you're gutted so be it" are just plain stupid as you haven't a clue how I feel about Frank's departure and won't glean any information about my feelings from what I have posted so although it may be hard for you please stick to facts and not fairy tales Well tell us how you feel about Frank then. Anyway he's full of sh1t. He did lie. It's a fact he lied to the fans via the training ground interview and don't you think it's a little far fetched the agreement with parish was to go full steam ahead but tell the fans the complete opposite. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. It's pretty obvious some of the cr&p that's gone on. They're all at fault but Frank isn't the club, just someone using us but not very good or clever at doing so. He's gone. Who cares? We were a stepping stone. If he did fail some of the whiners on here were actually prepared for him to take us down. Thank god they don't get their wishes to watch losing sideways passing football on their laptops whilst us fans attending have to suffer their utopia. Edited by Rudi Hedman (15 Sep 2017 9.39am)
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Kermit8 Hevon 15 Sep 17 9.42am | |
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All managers are economical with the truth sometimes. It goes with the territory.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 15 Sep 17 9.50am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I seem to recall that when we had Sam Allardyce as manager we did lose to Swansea and Burnley You have accused people on here of being deliberately obtuse ? seeing as you have chosen to completely ignore the context of those games I can only assume you are yourself being "obtuse" Just in case you really do believe what you have written allow me please to add the context. BFS came into our club and immediately stated the players "were not fit enough" and that it would take until at least end of February/March before his methods would show dividends, and true to his word we became very hard to beat, and nothced up wins ahainst Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal to name but a few, we played to our strengths and defended well, and attacked on the counter with pace and power. So BFS unfcuked the squad from the state AP left them in, and got the best from them. Yes it took him a while BUT he made us all aware before hand. BFS left us in a good place. FDB comes in Changes everything overnight, contrary to his outward intentions. And we are changed overnight from a balanced strong counter attacking team, to a powderpuff, feckless bunch of clowns who clearly didn't have a fcukin igloo what they were doing. FDB took us backwards from where we were. No goals scored 7 goals conceded. So back to my original statement, IF WE STILL HAD BFS against Huddersfield, Swansea, Burnley and Liverpool, having had even longer to instill his way, and the additions we made it is a fair assumption we would not have lost to at least three of those clubs.
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Midlands Eagle 15 Sep 17 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
You have accused people on here of being deliberately obtuse ? seeing as you have chosen to completely ignore the context of those games I can only assume you are yourself being "obtuse" Just in case you really do believe what you have written allow me please to add the context. BFS came into our club and immediately stated the players "were not fit enough" and that it would take until at least end of February/March before his methods would show dividends, and true to his word we became very hard to beat, and nothced up wins ahainst Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal to name but a few, we played to our strengths and defended well, and attacked on the counter with pace and power. You stated "You can't seriously tell me that in all honesty, if we still had BFS as manager that we would have lost to Huddersfield, Swansea, or Burnley" and irrespective of the squad being unfit and Pardewed he had the squad up to scratch so that we took some notable scalps but even so we managed to give Burnley their only away win AFTER all of the above so your claim was patently wrong
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Sep 17 10.36am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
You stated "You can't seriously tell me that in all honesty, if we still had BFS as manager that we would have lost to Huddersfield, Swansea, or Burnley" and irrespective of the squad being unfit and Pardewed he had the squad up to scratch so that we took some notable scalps but even so we managed to give Burnley their only away win AFTER all of the above so your claim was patently wrong Kelly and Delaney were our CBs that day v Burnley. Edited by Rudi Hedman (15 Sep 2017 10.36am)
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bexleydave Barnehurst 15 Sep 17 10.48am | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
You have accused people on here of being deliberately obtuse ? seeing as you have chosen to completely ignore the context of those games I can only assume you are yourself being "obtuse" Just in case you really do believe what you have written allow me please to add the context. BFS came into our club and immediately stated the players "were not fit enough" and that it would take until at least end of February/March before his methods would show dividends, and true to his word we became very hard to beat, and nothced up wins ahainst Liverpool, Chelsea, and Arsenal to name but a few, we played to our strengths and defended well, and attacked on the counter with pace and power. So BFS unfcuked the squad from the state AP left them in, and got the best from them. Yes it took him a while BUT he made us all aware before hand. BFS left us in a good place. FDB comes in Changes everything overnight, contrary to his outward intentions. And we are changed overnight from a balanced strong counter attacking team, to a powderpuff, feckless bunch of clowns who clearly didn't have a fcukin igloo what they were doing. FDB took us backwards from where we were. No goals scored 7 goals conceded. So back to my original statement, IF WE STILL HAD BFS against Huddersfield, Swansea, Burnley and Liverpool, having had even longer to instill his way, and the additions we made it is a fair assumption we would not have lost to at least three of those clubs.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Sep 17 10.57am | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
I think if we'd played 4 at the back we'd have given ourselves a good chance of at least 4 points and he might still be in the job. But you noticed it sounded he wasn't for turning and later the 3-4-3 sounded in his plans. He just didn't want to put us before 'his' project to show what he could do. The board didn't want to gamble us for his benefit.
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slubglurge welling 15 Sep 17 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by MKCPFC
Just like your opinion , which is all in your head. All these games were before Sakho and Luka arrived. That was when our fortunes changed. Sam then had his DM and CB
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Sep 17 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by slubglurge
All these games were before Sakho and Luka arrived. That was when our fortunes changed. Sam then had his DM and CB Frank didn't have one and ruined and/or didn't want Luka. I actually wonder how much knowledge he had on our players when he joined and 2 weeks before he left. Sammy was there for answers but looking at the 3 on the bench, Orlando Trustfull was a better man at the time to confer with.
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bexleydave Barnehurst 15 Sep 17 11.18am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I think if we'd played 4 at the back we'd have given ourselves a good chance of at least 4 points and he might still be in the job. But you noticed it sounded he wasn't for turning and later the 3-4-3 sounded in his plans. He just didn't want to put us before 'his' project to show what he could do. The board didn't want to gamble us for his benefit. I said that he could have saved his career and us if he'd started with four at the back and put players in their natural positions, but he seemed hell bent on self-destruction. However, if only a tenth of what we've heard about what's been going on is true, it could never have worked no matter what..
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 15 Sep 17 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
You stated "You can't seriously tell me that in all honesty, if we still had BFS as manager that we would have lost to Huddersfield, Swansea, or Burnley" and irrespective of the squad being unfit and Pardewed he had the squad up to scratch so that we took some notable scalps but even so we managed to give Burnley their only away win AFTER all of the above so your claim was patently wrong So you are either being obtuse in order to try and validate your (wrong) opinion or you know nothing of our games. We had Delaney and Kelly as the center back pairing that game, and if memory serves, their Keeper got away with blue murder for flattening Wilf, only for Wilf to be incorrectly called off side. Then in the second half, he got hacked down in thier box, and as replays showed, a penalty was the correct decision, but we didn't get it. It's your argument that's nonsense mate no one else's
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Midlands Eagle 15 Sep 17 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Frank didn't have one and ruined and/or didn't want Luka. Or more likely dropped him as he was out of form, Comments from the first two matches:- Luka Milivojevic against Huddersfield - 5 The initial excitement at seeing Luka back in his favoured midfield position was soon tempered when he seemed to be feeling for his hamstring early on. The first half became as anonymous a performance as he’s put in since joining Palace – although that is by his own high standards. Clearly struggling, he was subbed for Andros Townsend at half time Luka Milivojevic against Swansea - 5 A shadow of the player he was last season, hasn't got going yet. Needed to dominate a lot more in the middle, but that should return in the coming weeks. Subbed for Cabaye
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