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Stirlingsays 13 Sep 17 5.51pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't have a problem with the far right such as the BNP etc other than disliking their racist and homophobic policies, and their views towards legal British citizens that are based in an irrational logic. However they also are pro democratic. I don't like ukip either but again they are democratic and I find that acceptable. Groups like the EDL national action etc aren't, they represent a far right 'street' movement that aren't engaged in political discourse but acting out those prejudices Are the EDL anti democratic? I've had a look at 'national action' and what I saw wasn't very pretty...so yeah. I'll have a look at EDL. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Sep 17 5.51pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't have a problem with the far right such as the BNP etc other than disliking their racist and homophobic policies, and their views towards legal British citizens that are based in an irrational logic. However they also are pro democratic. I don't like ukip either but again they are democratic and I find that acceptable. Groups like the EDL national action etc aren't, they represent a far right 'street' movement that aren't engaged in political discourse but acting out those prejudices

Are the EDL anti democratic? I've had a look at 'national action' and what I saw wasn't very pretty...so yeah.

I'll have a look at EDL.

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Stirlingsays 13 Sep 17 5.59pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 More fascism - its everywhere! [Link] My comment on this is that there should be a resistance to 'dumbing down' in general. It's important that the need to 'connect' with the layperson is balanced by the fact that these are disciplines of knowledge.....So a balance. Anything outside of this is sheer nonsense designed to censor people's use of words.....Activists and the media have a vested interest in keeping that repression going. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Sep 17 5.59pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

More fascism - its everywhere!

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My comment on this is that there should be a resistance to 'dumbing down' in general. It's important that the need to 'connect' with the layperson is balanced by the fact that these are disciplines of knowledge.....So a balance.

Anything outside of this is sheer nonsense designed to censor people's use of words.....Activists and the media have a vested interest in keeping that repression going.

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 13 Sep 17 6.18pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't have a problem with the far right such as the BNP etc other than disliking their racist and homophobic policies, and their views towards legal British citizens that are based in an irrational logic. However they also are pro democratic. I don't like ukip either but again they are democratic and I find that acceptable. Groups like the EDL national action etc aren't, they represent a far right 'street' movement that aren't engaged in political discourse but acting out those prejudices I don't see how the the likes of the BNP are pro-democratic when they clearly would like to remove any democratic rights from certain groups of people. Or are referring to a kind of Athenian democracy where the citizens can vote, but not slaves?
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 13 Sep 17 6.18pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't see how the the likes of the BNP are pro-democratic when they clearly would like to remove any democratic rights from certain groups of people.

Or are referring to a kind of Athenian democracy where the citizens can vote, but not slaves?

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 13 Sep 17 6.27pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays My comment on this is that there should be a resistance to 'dumbing down' in general. It's important that the need to 'connect' with the layperson is balanced by the fact that these are disciplines of knowledge.....So a balance. Anything outside of this is sheer nonsense designed to censor people's use of words.....Activists and the media have a vested interest in keeping that repression going. I've never been able to take anyone shouting fascist seriously since watching Rik Mayall on The Young Ones.
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Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 13 Sep 17 6.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anything outside of this is sheer nonsense designed to censor people's use of words.....Activists and the media have a vested interest in keeping that repression going.

I've never been able to take anyone shouting fascist seriously since watching Rik Mayall on The Young Ones.

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Stirlingsays 13 Sep 17 9.03pm
Originally posted by Slimey Toad I've never been able to take anyone shouting fascist seriously since watching Rik Mayall on The Young Ones. Mayall...gone too soon. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Sep 17 9.03pm

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

I've never been able to take anyone shouting fascist seriously since watching Rik Mayall on The Young Ones.

Mayall...gone too soon.

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Stirlingsays 13 Sep 17 9.45pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't have a problem with the far right such as the BNP etc other than disliking their racist and homophobic policies, and their views towards legal British citizens that are based in an irrational logic. However they also are pro democratic. I don't like ukip either but again they are democratic and I find that acceptable. Groups like the EDL national action etc aren't, they represent a far right 'street' movement that aren't engaged in political discourse but acting out those prejudices Looking into the EDL I don't see where you have got this thing where they aren't democratic. It seems they do support the democratic process. Interestingly It seems that they have a Sikh division. Anyway this is their mission statement: [Link] From reading that, I can see why you don't like it because it's nationalistic. I'd regard them far more favorably than say the BNP. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2017 9.46pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Sep 17 9.45pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Looking into the EDL I don't see where you have got this thing where they aren't democratic. It seems they do support the democratic process.

Interestingly It seems that they have a Sikh division.

Anyway this is their mission statement:

[Link]

From reading that, I can see why you don't like it because it's nationalistic. I'd regard them far more favorably than say the BNP.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2017 9.46pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Sep 17 10.16pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Looking into the EDL I don't see where you have got this thing where they aren't democratic. It seems they do support the democratic process. Interestingly It seems that they have a Sikh division. Anyway this is their mission statement: [Link] From reading that, I can see why you don't like it because it's nationalistic. I'd regard them far more favorably than say the BNP. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2017 9.46pm) The two most recognisable Sikh fascists and racists in the UK are Rajinder Singh,[1] and Guramit Singh, the former who was a long-time member and supporter of the British National Party (BNP), who wasn't even allowed to join them until 2010 because he wasn't White; and the latter who was a founding member of the English Defence League (EDL),[2] who was also the head of it's EDL Sikh Division. Guramit was friends with another racist and ex-BNP member, and also EDL founder, Tommy Robinson (who's real name is Stephan Yaxley-Lennon).[3] The organisation was solely dedicated to hating Muslims, and terrorising Muslims in small anti-Jewish like pogroms,[4] reminiscent of those of early 20th century Russia. At one point the police were spending £800,000 pounds per rally in order to control up to 2,000 of their members from rioting and it spiralling out of control.[5][6][7] The organisation was also full of ex-convicts, terrorists,[8][9] child-groomers, rapists,[10] paedophiles and child molesters,[11][12] football hooligans,[13][14] murderers,[15] wife-beaters,[16] white supremacists[n. 4] and racists.[17] It even had someone who was claiming he was Muslim ("Abdul Rafiq",[18] although he wasn't well liked and mostly served as the uncle tom of the group (who could actually be classified as a vulnerable person, as he may have a mental illness). Why Sikhs join such organisations isn't entirely clear, aside from hatred of Muslims; the real reason may actually lie in jealousy or envy, according to one member of the Sikh faith, Bhupinder Singh.[19] Guramit Singh Kalirai was eventually jailed in 2013 in a botched robbery he committed with two additional accomplices (Andrew Wheelhouse and David Mura) in May 2013, in Nottingham, where they also threatened to slash their victims throat.[20][21][22] It took all three of the men to pin down the shopkeeper and force him to hand over the money.[20] Singh escaped, but one of his colleagues was caught by an adjacent shopkeeper.[20] Singh was also previously arrested for hate speech he had committed in December 11th, 2010 where he wished Muslims would "burn in hell".[23] Robinson at the time stated that "[t]he EDL are fully behind him" finding that there was "nothing wrong with his speech".[24] Sunny Hundal, who is Sikh himself, postulated that Singh's hatred of Muslims stems from past historical conflict originating in India which is now being imported to the UK[n. 5][n. 6] (whether correct or falsified), with also rumours of Sikh girls being seduced by Muslim boys and being "forced" to convert to Islam (another conspiracy theory having originated in India)—the evidence which as of yet still hasn't been produced by those making the accusations.[25] This hasn't been helped by the fact that the "Hindu Forum Britain" (an umbrella organisation which represents 300 Hindu organisations,[26] which has been overtaken by Hindu radicals[27]) has also bought into anti-Muslim conspiracy theories but has "produced no evidence".[25] Singh has also been condemned by Sikh organisations such as "Sikhs Against the EDL".[28][29] Rajinder Singh (b. 1932) is an octogenarian Sikh, who is a BNP (British National Party) voter and the only visibly known vocal ethnic minority supporter.[1] He is a retired primary school teacher who emigrated from India to the United Kingdom in 1967.[1] He claims his hatred of Muslims stems down to when his father was killed (by unknown assailants) during the partition violence,[1] where both Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus all died in rioting trying to emigrate to or from India and pakistan. When Singh became aware of the White supremacist BNP party, he said he began to vote for them thereafter in every election, whether local or general.[1] He even wrote a character reference for convicted anti-Semite Nick Griffin when he was accused of racial discrimination (it should be noted that the BNP are, ironically, openly and blatantly racist against all non-Whites including him).[1] In the May 2010 general election the party gained 563,743 votes, but by 2015, they claimed only 1,667 (a drop of 99.7%).[30] This is probably as a result of the voters moving over and voting for the UKIP party. It should be noted that in 2010, a member of the BNP was convicted to 11 years in jail for producing 54 improvised explosive devices (IEDs) which he planned to use against non-Whites, in West Yorkshire, England.[31] He was also armed with 12 guns. He was an ardent member of the party, with letters from the BNP and it's magazine found in his home.[31] Another BNP terrorist was jailed for 50 years in 2007 for killing two people, including a pregnant White woman. [Link] Lovely people then these fascist Sikhs.
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Shizzlehurst 13 Sep 17 10.16pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Looking into the EDL I don't see where you have got this thing where they aren't democratic. It seems they do support the democratic process.

Interestingly It seems that they have a Sikh division.

Anyway this is their mission statement:

[Link]

From reading that, I can see why you don't like it because it's nationalistic. I'd regard them far more favorably than say the BNP.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2017 9.46pm)

The two most recognisable Sikh fascists and racists in the UK are Rajinder Singh,[1] and Guramit Singh, the former who was a long-time member and supporter of the British National Party (BNP), who wasn't even allowed to join them until 2010 because he wasn't White; and the latter who was a founding member of the English Defence League (EDL),[2] who was also the head of it's EDL Sikh Division. Guramit was friends with another racist and ex-BNP member, and also EDL founder, Tommy Robinson (who's real name is Stephan Yaxley-Lennon).[3] The organisation was solely dedicated to hating Muslims, and terrorising Muslims in small anti-Jewish like pogroms,[4] reminiscent of those of early 20th century Russia. At one point the police were spending £800,000 pounds per rally in order to control up to 2,000 of their members from rioting and it spiralling out of control.[5][6][7] The organisation was also full of ex-convicts, terrorists,[8][9] child-groomers, rapists,[10] paedophiles and child molesters,[11][12] football hooligans,[13][14] murderers,[15] wife-beaters,[16] white supremacists[n. 4] and racists.[17] It even had someone who was claiming he was Muslim ("Abdul Rafiq",[18] although he wasn't well liked and mostly served as the uncle tom of the group (who could actually be classified as a vulnerable person, as he may have a mental illness). Why Sikhs join such organisations isn't entirely clear, aside from hatred of Muslims; the real reason may actually lie in jealousy or envy, according to one member of the Sikh faith, Bhupinder Singh.[19]

Guramit Singh Kalirai was eventually jailed in 2013 in a botched robbery he committed with two additional accomplices (Andrew Wheelhouse and David Mura) in May 2013, in Nottingham, where they also threatened to slash their victims throat.[20][21][22] It took all three of the men to pin down the shopkeeper and force him to hand over the money.[20] Singh escaped, but one of his colleagues was caught by an adjacent shopkeeper.[20] Singh was also previously arrested for hate speech he had committed in December 11th, 2010 where he wished Muslims would "burn in hell".[23] Robinson at the time stated that "[t]he EDL are fully behind him" finding that there was "nothing wrong with his speech".[24] Sunny Hundal, who is Sikh himself, postulated that Singh's hatred of Muslims stems from past historical conflict originating in India which is now being imported to the UK[n. 5][n. 6] (whether correct or falsified), with also rumours of Sikh girls being seduced by Muslim boys and being "forced" to convert to Islam (another conspiracy theory having originated in India)—the evidence which as of yet still hasn't been produced by those making the accusations.[25] This hasn't been helped by the fact that the "Hindu Forum Britain" (an umbrella organisation which represents 300 Hindu organisations,[26] which has been overtaken by Hindu radicals[27]) has also bought into anti-Muslim conspiracy theories but has "produced no evidence".[25] Singh has also been condemned by Sikh organisations such as "Sikhs Against the EDL".[28][29]

Rajinder Singh (b. 1932) is an octogenarian Sikh, who is a BNP (British National Party) voter and the only visibly known vocal ethnic minority supporter.[1] He is a retired primary school teacher who emigrated from India to the United Kingdom in 1967.[1] He claims his hatred of Muslims stems down to when his father was killed (by unknown assailants) during the partition violence,[1] where both Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus all died in rioting trying to emigrate to or from India and pakistan. When Singh became aware of the White supremacist BNP party, he said he began to vote for them thereafter in every election, whether local or general.[1] He even wrote a character reference for convicted anti-Semite Nick Griffin when he was accused of racial discrimination (it should be noted that the BNP are, ironically, openly and blatantly racist against all non-Whites including him).[1] In the May 2010 general election the party gained 563,743 votes, but by 2015, they claimed only 1,667 (a drop of 99.7%).[30] This is probably as a result of the voters moving over and voting for the UKIP party. It should be noted that in 2010, a member of the BNP was convicted to 11 years in jail for producing 54 improvised explosive devices (IEDs) which he planned to use against non-Whites, in West Yorkshire, England.[31] He was also armed with 12 guns. He was an ardent member of the party, with letters from the BNP and it's magazine found in his home.[31] Another BNP terrorist was jailed for 50 years in 2007 for killing two people, including a pregnant White woman.

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Lovely people then these fascist Sikhs.

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Stirlingsays 13 Sep 17 10.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Lovely people then these fascist Sikhs. Nick cut and pasted that from the 'MATERIA ISLAMICA the ISLAMIC ENCYCLOPÆDIA!' Typical Nick.....You have as much balance as a blind man on a tightrope. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2017 10.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Sep 17 10.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Lovely people then these fascist Sikhs.

Nick cut and pasted that from the 'MATERIA ISLAMICA the ISLAMIC ENCYCLOPÆDIA!'

Typical Nick.....You have as much balance as a blind man on a tightrope.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2017 10.48pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Sep 17 11.23pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Nick cut and pasted that from the 'MATERIA ISLAMICA the ISLAMIC ENCYCLOPÆDIA!' Typical Nick.....You have as much balance as a blind man on a tightrope. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2017 10.48pm) Sorry, I forgot references, citations and evidence are irrelevant in this 'post truth' world of yours? Who said it was balanced? You said something along the lines of 'oh they've got a Sikh division ' I thought I'd oblige you with some info about them. Feel free,whilst avoiding the obvious biased tone, to pick out what you feel to be factually incorrect. I look forward to your response.
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Shizzlehurst 13 Sep 17 11.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Nick cut and pasted that from the 'MATERIA ISLAMICA the ISLAMIC ENCYCLOPÆDIA!'

Typical Nick.....You have as much balance as a blind man on a tightrope.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2017 10.48pm)

Sorry, I forgot references, citations and evidence are irrelevant in this 'post truth' world of yours?

Who said it was balanced? You said something along the lines of 'oh they've got a Sikh division '
I thought I'd oblige you with some info about them. Feel free,whilst avoiding the obvious biased tone, to pick out what you feel to be factually incorrect.

I look forward to your response.

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Stirlingsays 14 Sep 17 1.41am
Originally posted by nickgusset Sorry, I forgot references, citations and evidence are irrelevant in this 'post truth' world of yours? Who said it was balanced? You said something along the lines of 'oh they've got a Sikh division ' I thought I'd oblige you with some info about them. Feel free,whilst avoiding the obvious biased tone, to pick out what you feel to be factually incorrect. I look forward to your response. 'references, citations and evidence' Heavily biased information about them using a source that opposes them. I urge anyone half way interested in checking out Nick's sources to judge on their reliability to check out the site. [Link] I have no way of knowing if that information is fair.....But then again I'm not the one cut and pasting stuff slandering their name am I....you are. That reality is worthy of comment....nothing more. The mission statement of the EDL looks reasonable to me, but as I don't know anything more about the group other than that I couldn't comment on it. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 1.53am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Sorry, I forgot references, citations and evidence are irrelevant in this 'post truth' world of yours?

I look forward to your response.

'references, citations and evidence'

Heavily biased information about them using a source that opposes them. I urge anyone half way interested in checking out Nick's sources to judge on their reliability to check out the site.

[Link]

I have no way of knowing if that information is fair.....But then again I'm not the one cut and pasting stuff slandering their name am I....you are.

That reality is worthy of comment....nothing more.

The mission statement of the EDL looks reasonable to me, but as I don't know anything more about the group other than that I couldn't comment on it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 1.53am)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 7.59am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 'references, citations and evidence' Heavily biased information about them using a source that opposes them. I urge anyone half way interested in checking out Nick's sources to judge on their reliability to check out the site. [Link] I have no way of knowing if that information is fair.....But then again I'm not the one cut and pasting stuff slandering their name am I....you are. That reality is worthy of comment....nothing more. The mission statement of the EDL looks reasonable to me, but as I don't know anything more about the group other than that I couldn't comment on it. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 1.53am) Here are the citations in the piece. A range of sources. ^ White supremacists don't even like the fact that Sikhs are in the EDL. Northumbrian (September 27th, 2013). "English" Defence League's Guramit Singh Kalira. StormFront. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ These are being used to exploit tensions and causes communalism within the UK's Asian population. Jessica Elgot (September 24th, 2012). EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ There have been some rumours of Singh's sister converting over to Islam, but reports are difficult to verify. Guramit Singh of the EDL arrested. 22 December 2010. London Muslim. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ White supremacists don't even like the fact that Sikhs are in the EDL. Northumbrian (September 27th, 2013). "English" Defence League's Guramit Singh Kalira. StormFront. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ These are being used to exploit tensions and causes communalism within the UK's Asian population. Jessica Elgot (September 24th, 2012). EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ There have been some rumours of Singh's sister converting over to Islam, but reports are difficult to verify. Guramit Singh of the EDL arrested. 22 December 2010. London Muslim. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017. References ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l Jenny Kleeman (11 February 2010). 'Every Hindu and Sikh should be praising the BNP'. The Guardian. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Charlotte Meredith (September 27th, 2013). Guramit Singh Kalirai, Former Sikh EDL Leader, On The Run Following Violent Robbery. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Matt Rowland Hill (18 October 2013). Who is the real Tommy Robinson?. The Telegraph. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Paul Sillett (November 2013). Stopping the BNP and EDL: Strategy of patience and small deeds. Socialist Review. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Dominic Casciani (5th February 2011). Eyewitness: EDL return to Luton. BBC News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b EDL and UAF stage rival protests in Luton. 5 February 2011. BBC News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Deborah Linton (12th October 2009). Protests could cost city £800,000. Manchester Evening News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Luke Salkeld (28 July 2010). Police shoot out tyres of English Defence League member as seven are arrested over mosque 'bomb plot'. Daily Mail. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Soldier jailed for making nail bomb ‘not a terrorist’. 28 November 2014. Channel 4 News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Arthur Martin, Matt Hunter (10 September 2016). Posing with booze and a fat cigar, the rapist stockbroker jailed for six years: Judge condemns City's 'culture of excess' as trader is found guilty of attack at drugs-fuelled office bash. Daily Mail. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Emperor (May 18th, 2012). EDL Leader Tommy Robinson Outed as Child Sex Pest. Loon Watch. University of Stanford. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Felicity Morse (16 May 2012). EDL’s Tommy Robinson Attracts Twitter Hatred After Racially Abusing ‘Underage’ User. Huffington Post. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Fascist EDL Football Hooligans To Invade Stoke on the 23rd of January. December 11th, 2009. Indy Media. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Paul Bracchi, Tim Stewart (5 April 2013). Special Investigation: English Defence League and the hooligans spreading hate on the High Street. Daily Mail. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Charlotte Court (15th March 2016). EDL thug guilty of murdering grandfather stabbed 60 times with screwdriver. The Mirror. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Matthew Collins (27th October 2016). Spurned Nazi sympathiser went to man’s home armed with knife and Molotov cocktails. Hope Not Hate. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Malatesta (Unknown Date). Far Right Sex Offenders List. EDL News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b virginiagolden (October 31, 2013).Tag Archives: Abdul Rafiq. EDL Criminals. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Hugh Muir (June 15th, 2010). Hideously diverse Britain: What makes a Sikh join the far right?. The Guardian. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b c d e f EDL spokesman Guramit Singh Kalirai finally jailed for robbery bid. October 18th, 2013. BBC News. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Guramit Singh on the run. September 29th, 2013. East Midlands Anti-fascists. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Amanda Williams (10 October 2013). 'Who's out on the booze tonight?' Fugitive EDL leader convicted of botched raid on hydroponics shop used FACEBOOK to taunt police about his 'day out' at London tourist attractions. Daily Mail. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Daniel Trilling (March 5th, 2010). "God bless the Muslims. They'll need it when they're burning in effing hell.". New Stateman. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Matthew Reville (22 December 2010). Police arrest EDL protest’s leader. The Peterborough Telegraph. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b c d Sunny Hundal (3 July 2012). EDL and Sikh men unite in using women as pawns. The Guardian. WayBack Machine Link Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Vidya Ram (18th February 2017). UK’s Hindu community debates action after Bank of England stands by ‘non-veg’ £5 note. The Hindu Business Line (via Press Reader). Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Sunny Hundal (26 February 2014). Hindu nationalists are gaining power in India - and silencing enemies along the way. The Independent. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Sikhs join manhunt for violent EDL fugitive, Guramit Singh. 29th September 2013. EDL News. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Sikh EDL leader should be charged. 11th March 2011. Operation Black Vote. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Christopher Hooton (8th May 2015). BNP sees 99.7% drop in votes in 2015 general election, party all but wiped out. The Independent. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017. ^ a b c d Press Association (15th January 2010). BNP member given 11 years for making bombs and guns. The Guardian. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017. ^ a b Fred Attewill (2nd March 2007). London nail bomber must serve at least 50 years. The Guardian. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017.
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Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 7.59am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'references, citations and evidence'

Heavily biased information about them using a source that opposes them. I urge anyone half way interested in checking out Nick's sources to judge on their reliability to check out the site.

[Link]

I have no way of knowing if that information is fair.....But then again I'm not the one cut and pasting stuff slandering their name am I....you are.

That reality is worthy of comment....nothing more.

The mission statement of the EDL looks reasonable to me, but as I don't know anything more about the group other than that I couldn't comment on it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2017 1.53am)

Here are the citations in the piece. A range of sources.

^ White supremacists don't even like the fact that Sikhs are in the EDL.
Northumbrian (September 27th, 2013). "English" Defence League's Guramit Singh Kalira. StormFront. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ These are being used to exploit tensions and causes communalism within the UK's Asian population.
Jessica Elgot (September 24th, 2012). EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ There have been some rumours of Singh's sister converting over to Islam, but reports are difficult to verify. Guramit Singh of the EDL arrested. 22 December 2010. London Muslim. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ White supremacists don't even like the fact that Sikhs are in the EDL.
Northumbrian (September 27th, 2013). "English" Defence League's Guramit Singh Kalira. StormFront. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ These are being used to exploit tensions and causes communalism within the UK's Asian population.
Jessica Elgot (September 24th, 2012). EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ There have been some rumours of Singh's sister converting over to Islam, but reports are difficult to verify. Guramit Singh of the EDL arrested. 22 December 2010. London Muslim. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
References

^ a b c d e f g h i j k l Jenny Kleeman (11 February 2010). 'Every Hindu and Sikh should be praising the BNP'. The Guardian. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Charlotte Meredith (September 27th, 2013). Guramit Singh Kalirai, Former Sikh EDL Leader, On The Run Following Violent Robbery. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Matt Rowland Hill (18 October 2013). Who is the real Tommy Robinson?. The Telegraph. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Paul Sillett (November 2013). Stopping the BNP and EDL: Strategy of patience and small deeds. Socialist Review. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Dominic Casciani (5th February 2011). Eyewitness: EDL return to Luton. BBC News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b EDL and UAF stage rival protests in Luton. 5 February 2011. BBC News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Deborah Linton (12th October 2009). Protests could cost city £800,000. Manchester Evening News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Luke Salkeld (28 July 2010). Police shoot out tyres of English Defence League member as seven are arrested over mosque 'bomb plot'. Daily Mail. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Soldier jailed for making nail bomb ‘not a terrorist’. 28 November 2014. Channel 4 News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Arthur Martin, Matt Hunter (10 September 2016). Posing with booze and a fat cigar, the rapist stockbroker jailed for six years: Judge condemns City's 'culture of excess' as trader is found guilty of attack at drugs-fuelled office bash. Daily Mail. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Emperor (May 18th, 2012). EDL Leader Tommy Robinson Outed as Child Sex Pest. Loon Watch. University of Stanford. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Felicity Morse (16 May 2012). EDL’s Tommy Robinson Attracts Twitter Hatred After Racially Abusing ‘Underage’ User. Huffington Post. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Fascist EDL Football Hooligans To Invade Stoke on the 23rd of January. December 11th, 2009. Indy Media. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Paul Bracchi, Tim Stewart (5 April 2013). Special Investigation: English Defence League and the hooligans spreading hate on the High Street. Daily Mail. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Charlotte Court (15th March 2016). EDL thug guilty of murdering grandfather stabbed 60 times with screwdriver. The Mirror. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Matthew Collins (27th October 2016). Spurned Nazi sympathiser went to man’s home armed with knife and Molotov cocktails. Hope Not Hate. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Malatesta (Unknown Date). Far Right Sex Offenders List. EDL News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b virginiagolden (October 31, 2013).Tag Archives: Abdul Rafiq. EDL Criminals. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Hugh Muir (June 15th, 2010). Hideously diverse Britain: What makes a Sikh join the far right?. The Guardian. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b c d e f EDL spokesman Guramit Singh Kalirai finally jailed for robbery bid. October 18th, 2013. BBC News. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Guramit Singh on the run. September 29th, 2013. East Midlands Anti-fascists. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Amanda Williams (10 October 2013). 'Who's out on the booze tonight?' Fugitive EDL leader convicted of botched raid on hydroponics shop used FACEBOOK to taunt police about his 'day out' at London tourist attractions. Daily Mail. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Daniel Trilling (March 5th, 2010). "God bless the Muslims. They'll need it when they're burning in effing hell.". New Stateman. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Matthew Reville (22 December 2010). Police arrest EDL protest’s leader. The Peterborough Telegraph. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b c d Sunny Hundal (3 July 2012). EDL and Sikh men unite in using women as pawns. The Guardian. WayBack Machine Link Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Vidya Ram (18th February 2017). UK’s Hindu community debates action after Bank of England stands by ‘non-veg’ £5 note. The Hindu Business Line (via Press Reader). Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Sunny Hundal (26 February 2014). Hindu nationalists are gaining power in India - and silencing enemies along the way. The Independent. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Sikhs join manhunt for violent EDL fugitive, Guramit Singh. 29th September 2013. EDL News. Retrieved March 21st, 2017.
^ a b Sikh EDL leader should be charged. 11th March 2011. Operation Black Vote. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017.
^ a b Christopher Hooton (8th May 2015). BNP sees 99.7% drop in votes in 2015 general election, party all but wiped out. The Independent. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017.
^ a b c d Press Association (15th January 2010). BNP member given 11 years for making bombs and guns. The Guardian. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017.
^ a b Fred Attewill (2nd March 2007). London nail bomber must serve at least 50 years. The Guardian. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017.

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Originally posted by nickgusset Here are the citations in the piece. A range of sources. ^ White supremacists don't even like the fact that Sikhs are in the EDL. Northumbrian (September 27th, 2013). "English" Defence League's Guramit Singh Kalira. StormFront. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ These are being used to exploit tensions and causes communalism within the UK's Asian population. Jessica Elgot (September 24th, 2012). EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ There have been some rumours of Singh's sister converting over to Islam, but reports are difficult to verify. Guramit Singh of the EDL arrested. 22 December 2010. London Muslim. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ White supremacists don't even like the fact that Sikhs are in the EDL. Northumbrian (September 27th, 2013). "English" Defence League's Guramit Singh Kalira. StormFront. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ These are being used to exploit tensions and causes communalism within the UK's Asian population. Jessica Elgot (September 24th, 2012). EDL Target Religious Groups Including Jews And Sikhs For Recruitment, Exploit Anti-Islam Tensions, Says Report. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ There have been some rumours of Singh's sister converting over to Islam, but reports are difficult to verify. Guramit Singh of the EDL arrested. 22 December 2010. London Muslim. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017. References ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l Jenny Kleeman (11 February 2010). 'Every Hindu and Sikh should be praising the BNP'. The Guardian. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Charlotte Meredith (September 27th, 2013). Guramit Singh Kalirai, Former Sikh EDL Leader, On The Run Following Violent Robbery. The Huffington Post. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Matt Rowland Hill (18 October 2013). Who is the real Tommy Robinson?. The Telegraph. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Paul Sillett (November 2013). Stopping the BNP and EDL: Strategy of patience and small deeds. Socialist Review. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Dominic Casciani (5th February 2011). Eyewitness: EDL return to Luton. BBC News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b EDL and UAF stage rival protests in Luton. 5 February 2011. BBC News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Deborah Linton (12th October 2009). Protests could cost city £800,000. Manchester Evening News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Luke Salkeld (28 July 2010). Police shoot out tyres of English Defence League member as seven are arrested over mosque 'bomb plot'. Daily Mail. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Soldier jailed for making nail bomb ‘not a terrorist’. 28 November 2014. Channel 4 News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Arthur Martin, Matt Hunter (10 September 2016). Posing with booze and a fat cigar, the rapist stockbroker jailed for six years: Judge condemns City's 'culture of excess' as trader is found guilty of attack at drugs-fuelled office bash. Daily Mail. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Emperor (May 18th, 2012). EDL Leader Tommy Robinson Outed as Child Sex Pest. Loon Watch. University of Stanford. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Felicity Morse (16 May 2012). EDL’s Tommy Robinson Attracts Twitter Hatred After Racially Abusing ‘Underage’ User. Huffington Post. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Fascist EDL Football Hooligans To Invade Stoke on the 23rd of January. December 11th, 2009. Indy Media. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Paul Bracchi, Tim Stewart (5 April 2013). Special Investigation: English Defence League and the hooligans spreading hate on the High Street. Daily Mail. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Charlotte Court (15th March 2016). EDL thug guilty of murdering grandfather stabbed 60 times with screwdriver. The Mirror. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Matthew Collins (27th October 2016). Spurned Nazi sympathiser went to man’s home armed with knife and Molotov cocktails. Hope Not Hate. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Malatesta (Unknown Date). Far Right Sex Offenders List. EDL News. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b virginiagolden (October 31, 2013).Tag Archives: Abdul Rafiq. EDL Criminals. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Hugh Muir (June 15th, 2010). Hideously diverse Britain: What makes a Sikh join the far right?. The Guardian. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b c d e f EDL spokesman Guramit Singh Kalirai finally jailed for robbery bid. October 18th, 2013. BBC News. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Guramit Singh on the run. September 29th, 2013. East Midlands Anti-fascists. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Amanda Williams (10 October 2013). 'Who's out on the booze tonight?' Fugitive EDL leader convicted of botched raid on hydroponics shop used FACEBOOK to taunt police about his 'day out' at London tourist attractions. Daily Mail. WayBack Machine Link.Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Daniel Trilling (March 5th, 2010). "God bless the Muslims. They'll need it when they're burning in effing hell.". New Stateman. WayBack Machine. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Matthew Reville (22 December 2010). Police arrest EDL protest’s leader. The Peterborough Telegraph. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b c d Sunny Hundal (3 July 2012). EDL and Sikh men unite in using women as pawns. The Guardian. WayBack Machine Link Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Vidya Ram (18th February 2017). UK’s Hindu community debates action after Bank of England stands by ‘non-veg’ £5 note. The Hindu Business Line (via Press Reader). Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Sunny Hundal (26 February 2014). Hindu nationalists are gaining power in India - and silencing enemies along the way. The Independent. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Sikhs join manhunt for violent EDL fugitive, Guramit Singh. 29th September 2013. EDL News. Retrieved March 21st, 2017. ^ a b Sikh EDL leader should be charged. 11th March 2011. Operation Black Vote. WayBack Machine Link. Retrieved March 16th, 2017. ^ a b Christopher Hooton (8th May 2015). BNP sees 99.7% drop in votes in 2015 general election, party all but wiped out. The Independent. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017. ^ a b c d Press Association (15th January 2010). BNP member given 11 years for making bombs and guns. The Guardian. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017. ^ a b Fred Attewill (2nd March 2007). London nail bomber must serve at least 50 years. The Guardian. WayBackMachine Link. Retrieved March 28th, 2017. Should someone compile a list of incidents that 'have nothing to do with Islam', but have been carried out by Muslims? The fear is that the HOL IT Servers would not cope with the post. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Here are the citations in the piece. A range of sources.

Should someone compile a list of incidents that 'have nothing to do with Islam', but have been carried out by Muslims? The fear is that the HOL IT Servers would not cope with the post.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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