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sitdownstandup Flag 05 Sep 17 8.31pm Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

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The dangers of quasi religious faith in restrictive diets.

What about the claims of doctors who suggest that diabetes and other diseases can be cured buy switching to a healthy vegan/vegetarian diet. I've heard from many people personally who have switched to vegan diets and improved their symptoms of diabetes.


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Edited by sitdownstandup (05 Sep 2017 8.47pm)

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 05 Sep 17 8.32pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We are killing ourselves by breathing the air.
There is no evidence that the consumption of meat in itself kills people.

Do you smoke? Drink alcohol? Eat rice? Have electrical equipment in your home? Drive your car on busy roads? Live near a busy road or electrical pylons? Have a family history of disease? Go out in the Sun? Have a stressful job? All of those things can be potentially harmful to your health and many more.


The air would be cleaner if we weren't adding to the pollutants in it by the industrial farming of livestock. Yes I do all those other things, but I also do things like exercise regularly to relieve stress; I don't smoke but I do drink - a lot less these days than in my younger years.

The point is that there are things that we don't need to be doing that can help us live longer, healthier lives. Scientists are speculating that consumption of the modern processed / meat diet will mean that the current generation of kids could be the first to live shorter lives than their parents.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 05 Sep 17 8.41pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Any study of our teeth shows that we are adapted to eat various foods, meat included.

As for what is best to eat for long term health...that is a different question. .Anybody with even a rudimentary knowledge knows that human beings aren't meant to live to 70 within its natural environments.

Our bodies weren't intended for long term use. The natural term of the human being in nature isn't that long at all.

There's a biological reason that puberty starts very early.


I'd love to see your study data on all this. Or that of any scientist who supports any of this nonsense.

People used to live only to 60, before that 50, before that 40. Go to any old town in the UK and look how small the doors are in the old buildings; they're tiny because so were the people. Henry VIII was a giant of a man...at 6ft dead...because he was unusually tall for his time.

People used to marry off their daughters at 12, because that's when they needed to have kids as they weren't going to live much beyond 35. Puberty in girls is happening at a younger age these days not because of expected longevity but because of the fat in our diet. The body cranks up the reproductive machinery once the body has enough fat to support a pregnancy.

As a species we have consistently improved our health over time, which is why we're getting bigger and longer-living. However, our current diet - which is believed will soon cause 2 of every 3 people on the planet to be diabetic - is getting set to reverse that trend.

We aren't going to live forever, but saying that we're at the finite length of human mortality ignores both the improvements we have made and the threat to those improvements.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Sep 17 8.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

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The dangers of quasi religious faith in restrictive diets.

True, but if you are healthy these warnings can also be over stated.

If you have underlying conditions...perhaps not.

I went on a juice and smoothie only diet for sixty days once.....best I'd felt since being a teenager.

A healthy human body can cope with restrictive diets of many types.....But the word 'healthy' is emphasized.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Sep 17 8.44pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by sitdownstandup

What about the claims of doctors who suggest that diabetes and other diseases can be cured buy switching to a healthy vegan/vegetarian diet. I've heard from many people personally who have switched to vegan diets and improved their symptoms of diabetes.


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Anecdotes don't cut it. It's just as likely because it's harder to over eat on a vegan diet.
I do virtual fasting on two days a week because it is said to have a positive effect. It certainly cuts several thousand calories out of my weekly intake.

Go on, have a Big Mac. It won't kill you.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 05 Sep 17 8.48pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

God you are embarrassing Kermit, you didn't even read past the first line of the post.

You obviously need to eat more seafood to help with your brain.

Just because you can't answer my questions and/or are even afraid to attempt to try you decide instead to deflect with even more meaningless nonsense.


btw I did read all your post. Now that was embarrassing.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Sep 17 8.48pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

True, but if you are healthy these warnings can also be over stated.

If you have underlying conditions...perhaps not.

I went on a juice and smoothie only diet for sixty days once.....best I'd felt since being a teenager.

A healthy human body can cope with restrictive diets of many types.....But the word 'healthy' is emphasized.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2017 8.43pm)

For sure. I would imagine that the normal human condition in pre farming times was hungry and looking for food. We certainly don't need to eat all the food that many do. That does not mean that always being hungry makes for a better life though.
There is evidence that staying hungry and a bit cold makes you live longer and I'm sure it would seem like it either way.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Sep 17 8.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


I'd love to see your study data on all this. Or that of any scientist who supports any of this nonsense.

People used to live only to 60, before that 50, before that 40. Go to any old town in the UK and look how small the doors are in the old buildings; they're tiny because so were the people. Henry VIII was a giant of a man...at 6ft dead...because he was unusually tall for his time.

People used to marry off their daughters at 12, because that's when they needed to have kids as they weren't going to live much beyond 35. Puberty in girls is happening at a younger age these days not because of expected longevity but because of the fat in our diet. The body cranks up the reproductive machinery once the body has enough fat to support a pregnancy.

As a species we have consistently improved our health over time, which is why we're getting bigger and longer-living. However, our current diet - which is believed will soon cause 2 of every 3 people on the planet to be diabetic - is getting set to reverse that trend.

We aren't going to live forever, but saying that we're at the finite length of human mortality ignores both the improvements we have made and the threat to those improvements.

Are you living on 'planet pointless' or something?

I can't see much in what you said here that I'd disagree with....but it relates little to what I said.

What do you think I'm saying that is wrong?

What our body is designed for by nature and how much the human life can be stretched to are two separate things. I addressed one of them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2017 8.51pm)

 


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sitdownstandup Flag 05 Sep 17 8.50pm Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Anecdotes don't cut it. It's just as likely because it's harder to over eat on a vegan diet.
I do virtual fasting on two days a week because it is said to have a positive effect. It certainly cuts several thousand calories out of my weekly intake.

Go on, have a Big Mac. It won't kill you.

Eat them regularly enough and they will - slower than cigarettes but the effects of eating enough of them will contribute to the increased likelihood of developing many avoidable diseases.

Edited by sitdownstandup (05 Sep 2017 8.51pm)

 


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sitdownstandup Flag 05 Sep 17 8.55pm Send a Private Message to sitdownstandup Add sitdownstandup as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Are you living on 'planet pointless' or something?

I can't see much in what you said here that I'd disagree with....but it relates little to what I said.

What do you think I'm saying that is wrong?

What our body is designed for by nature and how much the human life can be stretched to are two separate things. I addressed one of them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2017 8.51pm)

if we are designed to eat meat why dont we salivate at the sight of roadkill? Im pretty sure a truly carnivorous animal would eat that animal raw. Humans have to jump through hoops to eat dead animals. Farming them, catching them, cleaning them, cooking them. Most true carnivorous animals dont bother with all that stuff they just catch them, kill them and eat them. Herbivorous animals eat vegetables and fruits no problems. Why do we go through so much hassle to eat dead animals when the body will survive without the related health problems by eating a healthy vegan diet as prescribed by a growing number of doctors.

Edited by sitdownstandup (05 Sep 2017 8.56pm)

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 05 Sep 17 8.56pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

I couldn't care less what Corbyn has put or puts in his mouth, be that tofu or one of Diane Abbott's nipples.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Sep 17 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Just because you can't answer my questions and/or are even afraid to attempt to try you decide instead to deflect with even more meaningless nonsense.


btw I did read all your post. Now that was embarrassing.

Mmmm....I think you have now...but your response had so little to do with what I posted that I doubt it.

It laughable took the view that I disagreed with the idea that seafood was less healthy than meat, when this wasn't the point I'd made. If you had originally read the actual post then that response is indeed embarrassing Kermy...but worse things happen at sea...so to speak.

What was embarrassing about what I said exactly?

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2017 8.56pm)

 


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