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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 17 12.05pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
In my opinion a lot of young black men have a lack of morals, more so than any other racial group. That's not to say ALL young black men do... but if you look at crime stats, they are over represented. I live in Reading - and there most certainly is crime at the Reading Festival, and a spike in crime around the period of the festival. Robbery, sex offences, drug offences and assaults spike over the weekend of the festival. It doesn't get the kind of national news coverage that Notting Hill festival gets (and I dare say the seriousness of some of the crimes is much lower) but there is definitely a mini-crime wave festival weekend - and its all generally around the festival site and area. Shoplifting goes crazy as well on the Saturday morning of the festival. When I worked a shop in Reading, we'd generally catch three or four shoplifters on a Festival Saturday, compared to maybe one a week.
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Shifty97 Croydon 01 Aug 17 12.13pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
In my opinion a lot of young black men have a lack of morals, more so than any other racial group. That's not to say ALL young black men do... but if you look at crime stats, they are over represented. There is crime at many different events and festivals however it is just reported a lot less
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 17 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Shifty97
There is crime at many different events and festivals however it is just reported a lot less In fairness murders and attempted murders aren't all that common at Reading festival...
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Shifty97 Croydon 01 Aug 17 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
In my opinion a lot of young black men have a lack of morals, more so than any other racial group. That's not to say ALL young black men do... but if you look at crime stats, they are over represented. I would completely disagree with you there. Many older black people are very keen to seen young black people succeed and have jobs such as a doctor or lawyer. When I was a kid, going to university was not too common for too many black people, however it was always encouraged and looked upon as a good thin but perhaps just not essential. Both my parents are black and we never had a lot of money but when I a teenager, my Dad especially wanted me to go to university and pushed me to go to there. Observing my nieces and nephews and their black peers, higher education is very much encouraged and there are many young black people that are determined to go into higher education and succeed. My oldest nephew goes to a college in south London and although it has not had the best results and there are many kids that are involved in crime, there are many young black children who are determined to go to university and to work to the best of their ability. I don't deny the fact that many black kids are involved in crime, however there are a lot of schemes to try and stop this and to try and get them into higher education of some sort or at least to get them on the right track. There is a lot to try and help the young black community these days in terms of education, certainly more than in my day however I would say that being intelligent has never been seen as a bad thing in the black community. Perhaps you have experienced jealousy rather than anti-intellectualism. I admit that black people who grew up on my estate but went on to be successful were mocked but rather because they were doing better than everyone else and perhaps had forgotten their 'roots' but not because their success and further education was frowned upon.
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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 01 Aug 17 12.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Oh, it's not too bad once you forget what it was like to have humanity. :-) Loving the human face of Human Resource Management.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Aug 17 12.50pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
In fairness murders and attempted murders aren't all that common at Reading festival... Ian Brown murdered most of the stone roses set there about 20 years ago.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Aug 17 3.18pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Ian Brown murdered most of the stone roses set there about 20 years ago. Jesus, didn't he. That gig was without doubt a crime.
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Stirlingsays 01 Aug 17 6.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Shifty97
Intelligent no, educated yes. Every group has its own 'intelligentsia' within it. Within that group it's important to be educated. But within the wider community no. My experience of this came from being raised on an estate myself. Ghetto culture keeps black people down. Look at them compared to the Asian community. The difference is stark and any commentary that doesn't analyse the facts on the ground is remiss.
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Stirlingsays 01 Aug 17 6.24pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of course it works to an extent, for most people. They live around, and work with people of all different ethnicities and cultures, and inter-marry and have relationships. The problem is that some people expect multi-culturalism to be a merging of all cultures, rather than a co-existence (ie too much) and others just reject the idea for differnet reasons. But for most people getting along with their neighbours and co-workers isn't a problem. But there are people of all walks who are opposed to the idea of tolerance, interaction and co-existence because it challenges their agenda, which typically is about isolationism You know I tend to view myself as a person honest of intent. If I have an agenda it is to work to keep this country secular. Not in an overt way but I argue for common sense where I can. Anyone secular who cares for secularism to succeed in this country is completely bonkers to have a positive view of multiculturalism. It's as if the Greeks had said to the Persians once they had took on the new system of democracy, come over, live with us. The problem with cultural Marxism...the problem Marxism has always had is that it knows what it hates and wishes to tear down.... but it doesn't have a clue about what works.
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7mins In the bush 01 Aug 17 8.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Shifty97
I would completely disagree with you there. Many older black people are very keen to seen young black people succeed and have jobs such as a doctor or lawyer. When I was a kid, going to university was not too common for too many black people, however it was always encouraged and looked upon as a good thin but perhaps just not essential. Both my parents are black and we never had a lot of money but when I a teenager, my Dad especially wanted me to go to university and pushed me to go to there. Observing my nieces and nephews and their black peers, higher education is very much encouraged and there are many young black people that are determined to go into higher education and succeed. My oldest nephew goes to a college in south London and although it has not had the best results and there are many kids that are involved in crime, there are many young black children who are determined to go to university and to work to the best of their ability. I don't deny the fact that many black kids are involved in crime, however there are a lot of schemes to try and stop this and to try and get them into higher education of some sort or at least to get them on the right track. There is a lot to try and help the young black community these days in terms of education, certainly more than in my day however I would say that being intelligent has never been seen as a bad thing in the black community. Perhaps you have experienced jealousy rather than anti-intellectualism. I admit that black people who grew up on my estate but went on to be successful were mocked but rather because they were doing better than everyone else and perhaps had forgotten their 'roots' but not because their success and further education was frowned upon. The stats don't back you up, but I'm glad the people in your family see the sense in a good education... hopefully they will be the role models for the next generation. Young black boys are under-achieving in education. I'm a tad older than you, and we had free education, my parents knew education was vitally important and encouraged me to achieve as much as poss... no-one on the black side of my family did this, their idea was finish school, get a job as a postman/bus driver and that's pretty much where their ambitions stopped ... my dad has always taught me to have a free mind... I don't like rap music, I detest ghetto culture, I think BLM are a disgrace... these views alienate me from a lot of my black family... I encourage my views to be challenged, and I can back them up with rational arguments based on evidence and logic... but they're not interested... they see it as me not towing the racial line... like i'm a traitor.
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7mins In the bush 01 Aug 17 8.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Shifty97
There is crime at many different events and festivals however it is just reported a lot less You're kidding right? Have you seen the police operation for NH Carnival? When I worked for a TOC, we used to have BTP and undercover police working on the trains monitoring gangs travelling to NH carnival with knives and on one occasion a firearm. After the NH carnival, we'd be inundated with requests for CCTV looking for suspects. Half the things that happened at NH went unreported in the media.
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Stirlingsays 01 Aug 17 9.06pm | |
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Originally posted by 7mins
The stats don't back you up, but I'm glad the people in your family see the sense in a good education... hopefully they will be the role models for the next generation. Young black boys are under-achieving in education. I'm a tad older than you, and we had free education, my parents knew education was vitally important and encouraged me to achieve as much as poss... no-one on the black side of my family did this, their idea was finish school, get a job as a postman/bus driver and that's pretty much where their ambitions stopped ... my dad has always taught me to have a free mind... I don't like rap music, I detest ghetto culture, I think BLM are a disgrace... these views alienate me from a lot of my black family... I encourage my views to be challenged, and I can back them up with rational arguments based on evidence and logic... but they're not interested... they see it as me not towing the racial line... like i'm a traitor.
You sound like a role model for anybody of any cultural or racial background. Every group has its apologists and victim culture enthusiasts....and don't get me wrong we have a long way to go before ability is the only determinate of success.....However, you make important points that get cast aside in the great rush to finger point.
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