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 Spender  Orpington 20 Jul 17 10.22am |
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Spender Given your reservations, maybe you believe that in our circumstances and recent 'Success' under Allardyce, that Dyche would have been a better choice as manager ? Hi Wllo Too late for Dyche talk now we have to work with what we have but certainly Big Sam was a top Class Manager and I'm afraid that FDB already looks to be a step down. CPFC form post Pardew and with Sakho was good for a mid table finish at least this Season. It worked because we focused on keeping a Clean Sheet as a fundamental principal. We should have added Sakho and one other top quality player to the first eleven that ended last Season and gradually increased the drive to get our youth team players coming through. To tear up the approach that it took Big Sam weeks to install in the players is madness with only 3 weeks before the Season starts. Even FDB struggled to find any positives at all from yesterday's showing in his Post Match Press Conference. Edited by Spender (20 Jul 2017 10.24am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 17 11.04am |
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Not fixing what isn't broken applies as much to football as anything else. I see no point at all in changing our style simply because it happens to be the way our current manager either played, or prefers. FDB is clearly not a stupid guy so I doubt very much whether he plans to change things just for their own sake, or before we are capable of doing so. I therefore think last night might have been a little experimental. It certainly did not get the best out of Benteke. I suspect we might mix and match how we play, according to the opposition and whether we are at home or away. Being flexible and capable of adapting to changed circumstances would strengthen us, especially at home against the weaker sides. Playing fast counter attacking football away, and against the better sides at home, has worked well, both for us and the others in similar circumstances.
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| ideaair Ide Hill 20 Jul 17 11.44am |
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This is a most interesting rangen of opinions and forgetting the usual individuals who seem to take every opportunity to slag off with their brand of bad language and those who always seek to blame Steve Parrish for everything- the ater should remember that if he had not been prepared to put up the money to keep the club from going bankrupt there would not be a CPFC today. Big Sam aved us from relegation by insisting that a clean sheet was more important than scoring 4 goals and loosing 5-4. Frank 's defence in this game was wide open and had Liverpool stacked more often instead of practising holding the ball the score would have been higher than 2-9. The points that "Spender" makes are wel written and make good sense. It is only the 1st game and we must wait and see how Frank tightens up our defence Not seeming to be able to get Sako from Liverpool is a major blow for us, had he been playing on in this game I do not think we wouls have let in a 35yd shot. Do not start getting despondent before the season even starts- its what happens between 12th August and Christmas. Ideaair
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| ideaair Ide Hill 20 Jul 17 11.47am |
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Sorry about 2-9!! Finfer trouble. Ideaair
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| eaglesdare 20 Jul 17 12.19pm |
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For some reason im seeing the way dougie freeedman left us in a new light recently. I feel it was more parish demanding a nicer way of playing football. and then tried with holloway and pardew.
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| Aray South London 20 Jul 17 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by the.universal
Look - I know it's very early days and we can't draw too many conclusions yet, but I do have a few concerns: Recent palace history shows we fare much better keeping it tight and attacking on the break and horrendously badly when we try and open up and outplay better teams: We don't have the players to pass out from defence through central midfield, so we will need wholesale player changes to make that happen. From the friendly today, we took far too many liberties in deep areas with high risk and little potential reward. In this way I was reminded of Holloway. The other thing I don't like is how gleeful Parish was with getting FdB in. I wonder whether he has fully engaged his rational mind on this one. So, I'm not making any concrete conclusions just yet, very early days as we all know. But I feel Frank has to get on with defensive / keeper recruitment pronto. Its a pre-season game. Our first. Get. A. Grip.
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| Mr Palaceman 20 Jul 17 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
For some reason im seeing the way dougie freeedman left us in a new light recently. I feel it was more parish demanding a nicer way of playing football. and then tried with holloway and pardew. Sorry but this is one of the silliest posts in this thread and there are some very silly posts here. What you "feel" has no basis in reality. The fact that you are still trying to drag up an old championship manager I find laughable. Freedman left because he didn't believe that his beloved Palace were as good as Bolton. He thought he was going to a bigger club with more money and his excuse was that "his family were in danger".. Knob. I remember that even Speroni tweeted WTF when he heard that freedman was going. Just like Pulis and Bruce and despite being a club legend he didn't want to be here. He just didn't believe in us as a club and where is he today? Right up knob street. I suspect you must be neighbours. We are now in the Premiership and had, what, 6 coaches/managers in the dug out since then... Dougie was a fool to himself, Trump is the president of the United States, Britain voted for Brexit and the world is in fact, a globe. There are some things you just need to accept and move on, even though it doesn't "feel" right.
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| Pikester Worthing 20 Jul 17 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
and where is he today? Right up knob street. I suspect you must be neighbours.
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Made me laugh.| Username Horsham 20 Jul 17 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not fixing what isn't broken applies as much to football as anything else. I see no point at all in changing our style simply because it happens to be the way our current manager either played, or prefers. FDB is clearly not a stupid guy so I doubt very much whether he plans to change things just for their own sake, or before we are capable of doing so. I therefore think last night might have been a little experimental. It certainly did not get the best out of Benteke. I suspect we might mix and match how we play, according to the opposition and whether we are at home or away. Being flexible and capable of adapting to changed circumstances would strengthen us, especially at home against the weaker sides. Playing fast counter attacking football away, and against the better sides at home, has worked well, both for us and the others in similar circumstances.
We're already pretty good at taking points of bigger teams with our counter attacking style, we can't just rely on that though. We have to improve our home record, and make sure we put away those 'winnable' games on a more regular basis. That is what we're trying to change.
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| Username Horsham 20 Jul 17 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by Spender
Spender Given your reservations, maybe you believe that in our circumstances and recent 'Success' under Allardyce, that Dyche would have been a better choice as manager ? Hi Wllo Too late for Dyche talk now we have to work with what we have but certainly Big Sam was a top Class Manager and I'm afraid that FDB already looks to be a step down. CPFC form post Pardew and with Sakho was good for a mid table finish at least this Season. It worked because we focused on keeping a Clean Sheet as a fundamental principal. We should have added Sakho and one other top quality player to the first eleven that ended last Season and gradually increased the drive to get our youth team players coming through. To tear up the approach that it took Big Sam weeks to install in the players is madness with only 3 weeks before the Season starts. Even FDB struggled to find any positives at all from yesterday's showing in his Post Match Press Conference. Edited by Spender (20 Jul 2017 10.24am) So you've already decided FDB isn't as good based on one pre season game which featured a whole bunch of young/fringe players, and you think the answer was just to spunk £60million on two players?
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| Nobbybm Dartford 20 Jul 17 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Oh I get that & wasn't trying to infer we could win the league - just that players good enough for the EPL should be able to adapt. Who'd have ever thought Moses would play wingback? He's a good example for those who say Townsend can't play that position because of his (lack of) defensive abilities. I was actually pretty impressed with some of Dann's passing out from the back & he hit a couple that really deserved better from his team mates. That's not something he's been renowned for but he looked more comfortable on the ball than he has done for quite a while. If FdB can get them defending as a unit & attacking as a unit then I have high hopes of being upper mid-table. If not, then it's back on the rollercoaster...
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NickinOX  Sailing country. 20 Jul 17 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by Username
We're already pretty good at taking points of bigger teams with our counter attacking style, we can't just rely on that though. We have to improve our home record, and make sure we put away those 'winnable' games on a more regular basis. That is what we're trying to change. Spot on. It's been longer than the last two seasons though. If we don't change, we are at a great risk of going down as soon as we lose a player like Zaha. We saw what happened when we lost Bolasie (or when he was off form), and Soare: we ended up headed for relegation until a new manager came in a bought 3 players. Had we converted even only a few home losses into draws or wins, we would never have needed Sam to come to the rescue. Until we change, the best we can hope for is to be perennial battlers against relegation.
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