This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Theresa May
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jun 17 12.05pm |
  |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Because only myopic people focus on the numbers. Its all about the performance and trends, against expectations. Sure the Conservatives have 56 more seats than Labour - But they still can only form a government by effectively offering a bung to the DUP and even then only for support on stated issues. She f**ked it up, the party f**ked it up. They underestimated how well Corbyn would appeal, and how poorly May comes across. What's stunning about the DUP deal is how they come out of it looking like 'the good guys'. I might be a lot of things but I'm sure nobody who knows me would deem me "Myopic". You mention the DUP deal as if this was something new in British politics.I have already mentioned about 'Labour' and the deal they tried to do with the DUP in 2010 !!!! And are you saying that if Labour were the largest party but without an overall majority they would NOT wish to strike deals with other parties ? Dear me. As for "Performance" - it was NOT Labour who prevented us from getting an overall majority by their sheer 'brilliance' .It was our own abject manifesto and abysmal campaign and I have been totally honest about this since the result.
|
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
  |
| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jun 17 12.08pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Lucky there's none of that in the Conservative party. Politics without hypocrisy. An alliance with a Scotish National Party would be unthinkable, but its fine with a Northern Irish one.... Accusing politicians of hypocrisy is a bit like saying fish swim... Hardly a cogent argument.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
 Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jun 17 12.08pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It does sound like your the one quoting Conservative Stock statements here. The Conservative at best achieved a phyric victory. Going from majority, with an expected majority, to a minority government - in an election she called, expecting the Conservative majority to be dominating, delivering a massive mandate on the EU Exit. I'm not sure that it was just 'the conservatives' being s**t. They increased their seats, took seats in Scotland from the SNP etc. I think their campaign was awful and that did contribute to their inability to gain a majority. The growing ethnic minority and student vote were other factors. Irrespective of that. I was responding to Nick's trite and daft post about May's capabilities. You lefties can keep dreaming.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jun 17 12.11pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think their campaign was awful and that did contribute to their inability to gain a majority. The growing ethnic minority and student vote were other factors. Irrespective of that. I was responding to Nick's trite and daft post about May's capabilities. You lefties can keep dreaming. May I congratulate you on an excellent post. Think I will stick to the football debates else my 'Soapbox' will only bring on hypertension ! My dear wife has to put up enough of my political speak outside of HOL when I meet certain people in our 'Local' and she gets worried when I get into a lather about Labour, Corbyn and the rest of his comrades !
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| serial thriller The Promised Land 28 Jun 17 12.27pm |
|
|---|---|
|
I think she's had a breakdown. Seriously, watching her in Parliament, she's struggling to get a sentence out without choking up. I actually feel sorry for her. Corbyn had his party against him but most of them were just tutting middle class liberals. She has a party against her, a lot of whom are millionaire coke-fuelled psychopaths. The toughest of us would struggle, let alone a woman totally, totally out of her depth. That none of these Tories have the balls to step up to the plate and replace her says a lot.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jun 17 12.42pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Willo
I might be a lot of things but I'm sure nobody who knows me would deem me "Myopic". You mention the DUP deal as if this was something new in British politics.I have already mentioned about 'Labour' and the deal they tried to do with the DUP in 2010 !!!! And are you saying that if Labour were the largest party but without an overall majority they would NOT wish to strike deals with other parties ? Dear me. As for "Performance" - it was NOT Labour who prevented us from getting an overall majority by their sheer 'brilliance' .It was our own abject manifesto and abysmal campaign and I have been totally honest about this since the result.
It seems you are rather myopic, as it appears that the only reason the Conservatives can lose or do badly, is if they have a poor manifesto and campaign. So why did all those voters switch to Labour, rather than say the Greens, Liberal Democrats, stay with UKIP etc. Because, he appealed to them, and run a campaign that got him support and votes - and they ran a good campaign, it worked and achieved far more than expected (even than they expected - if they were to be honest). I also think, that if Labour were the largest party, and struck a deal with the SNP, the Conservatives and right wing in general would have a s**t fit about it. Its like a fan who complains about how s**t their team was, rather than admitting that they other side played far better than expected. As I said, Myopic.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jun 17 12.47pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by serial thriller
I think she's had a breakdown. Seriously, watching her in Parliament, she's struggling to get a sentence out without choking up. I actually feel sorry for her. Corbyn had his party against him but most of them were just tutting middle class liberals. She has a party against her, a lot of whom are millionaire coke-fuelled psychopaths. The toughest of us would struggle, let alone a woman totally, totally out of her depth. That none of these Tories have the balls to step up to the plate and replace her says a lot. Why would they. Who ever becomes leader, has to deal with Brexit - and that, despite the Leavers optimism has the potential to be a career ender. Better to let her stay in power and take the hit on her already damaged reputation - and if she can actually deliver a Brexit that doesn't deliver consequences, she'll resurrect her political capital. Plus who is there to replace her? Remember that Brexit mandate and support is pretty minimal. The referendum was tight, and the election certainly didn't show the support the Conservatives were aiming for.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jun 17 12.49pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Willo
Hardly a cogent argument. I meant for Labour - The conservatives were banging on about this even before the first votes were cast as being unacceptable (Coalition of Chaos etc). Hypocrisy is the nature of politics and oratory.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jun 17 1.07pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It seems you are rather myopic, as it appears that the only reason the Conservatives can lose or do badly, is if they have a poor manifesto and campaign. So why did all those voters switch to Labour, rather than say the Greens, Liberal Democrats, stay with UKIP etc. Because, he appealed to them, and run a campaign that got him support and votes - and they ran a good campaign, it worked and achieved far more than expected (even than they expected - if they were to be honest). I also think, that if Labour were the largest party, and struck a deal with the SNP, the Conservatives and right wing in general would have a s**t fit about it. Its like a fan who complains about how s**t their team was, rather than admitting that they other side played far better than expected. As I said, Myopic. There is little doubt that our manifesto and campaign were abysmal and cost us lots of votes.To argue otherwise is to totally ignore the issue. At the end of the day, Labour were totally dishonest about what they could deliver, with all their plethora of promises in their 'La La land'.Conservatives should have ripped this to shreds but failed to do so, accordingly swathes of the electorate were taken in by the 'Fantasy economics'. This is why I keep stressing that a bad campaign can allow parties to get away with endless promises and errant hogwash.Won't happen next time.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jun 17 1.14pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I meant for Labour - The conservatives were banging on about this even before the first votes were cast as being unacceptable (Coalition of Chaos etc). Hypocrisy is the nature of politics and oratory. Yes it would have been a 'Coalition of chaos' with Labour and their 'La-La-land' economics propped up by the SNP who wish to break up the UK. In an ideal world, taxpayers would have been spared the horse-trading that has taken place with the DUP. Incidently it was Labour who issued dire warnings that the DUP would make outlandish demands, but overall it was a reasonable deal to offer a measure of stability and provide an effective Government as we make our way through complex Brexit negotiations. In actual fact, given the outrageous economic cost of a Government led by the economically illiterate 'Comrade Corbyn' I happen to believe that £1Bill over 2 years is a small price for keeping Labour out of power.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 Jun 17 1.20pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Willo
In 2010 'Labour' tried to do a deal with the DUP. Gordon Brown wrote a letter to the DUP leader trying to buy his support. The then Northern Ireland Secretary Shawn Woodward worked on an "economic package" to secure DUP support. Alastair Campbell said a deal between the Conservatives and the DUP could undermine the peace process. That man is an odious t*sspot and thankfully has no influence whatsoever on today's Labour party. Your point is facile. May has made the deal and paid the bung, yet refused to give her magic money tree another shake so she can share her largesse with the rest of us. London and the South East contribute a big budget surplus to HM Treasury, yet our nurses and firefighters are stuck with falling living standards due to her ideology on cuts. She's a disgrace.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 Jun 17 1.28pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Willo
Yes it would have been a 'Coalition of chaos' with Labour and their 'La-La-land' economics propped up by the SNP who wish to break up the UK. In an ideal world, taxpayers would have been spared the horse-trading that has taken place with the DUP. Incidently it was Labour who issued dire warnings that the DUP would make outlandish demands, but overall it was a reasonable deal to offer a measure of stability and provide an effective Government as we make our way through complex Brexit negotiations. In actual fact, given the outrageous economic cost of a Government led by the economically illiterate 'Comrade Corbyn' I happen to believe that £1Bill over 2 years is a small price for keeping Labour out of power. You need to get it out of your head that public spending is a "cost". The only person around here who displays not economic acumen time and again is you.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / RegisterNew users
Registration is now on our new message board
Existing users
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
Sponsors
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.