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 MKCPFC  Spain/MK 11 Jun 17 4.21pm |
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I think if you lined up a wall covering the far post you are not covering anything as the kicker will simply shoot to side/behind the wall thus you have taken out 4 or 5 of your players to be doing nothing. | |Goal -------Wall o ball
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| MKCPFC Spain/MK 11 Jun 17 4.22pm |
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That didn't work , draw it out.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 11 Jun 17 6.13pm |
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Why not scrap the wall altogether and have players on the goal line instead.
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 11 Jun 17 6.43pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
My argument stands, if he was in the middle of the goal he would have saved at least one of those kicks if not both. Kicking it over the wall is exactly what they are trying to do because they know keepers leave more room on that side. If anything, with the modern ball you may be better off without a wall so that you can see exactly where the player is trying to kick it. Let's put it this way, if you were given a penalty from 5 yards outside the box, how often do you think you would score and would it be more or less often than with a wall in place? Looking at the 2nd one I thought that was exactly where he was ? Even with the wall jumping couldn't defend against such a quality strike.
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| m/k mick milton keynes 11 Jun 17 7.35pm |
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Re the wall again, the wall covers the far post in towards the centre of the goal, the goal keeper stands fairly central, with a good view, not saying its right, but i would be interested as to why it would not work, bit of lateral thought going on here, to me sometimes the problem is the keeper seeing it late, nice to know what any keepers feel about it, anyway going to have some guiness now, and look forward to fixture list
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chateauferret  11 Jun 17 11.21pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Why not scrap the wall altogether and have players on the goal line instead. Because they then play all the attackers onside. HTH.
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| MKCPFC Spain/MK 11 Jun 17 11.46pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Why not scrap the wall altogether and have players on the goal line instead. The offside rule.
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| dreamwaverider London 11 Jun 17 11.49pm |
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If you had no wall surely the attackers would make one to obscure the keeper.
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| MKCPFC Spain/MK 11 Jun 17 11.50pm |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Re the wall again, the wall covers the far post in towards the centre of the goal, the goal keeper stands fairly central, with a good view, not saying its right, but i would be interested as to why it would not work, bit of lateral thought going on here, to me sometimes the problem is the keeper seeing it late, nice to know what any keepers feel about it, anyway going to have some guiness now, and look forward to fixture list Draw it out on a piece of paper . The only way to cover the far post with a wall is to line it up on the goal line this leaves numerous options to the oppo as you cannot play them offside .
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| Mstrobez 12 Jun 17 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by GladAllOver27
What is it with this site and judging keepers game by game. All goalkeepers make mistakes. I personally would prefer heaton to hart. What sort of statement would it be to bring the England #1 to Palace. Let's write off his whole career. He's been mistake prone for a lot of his career in fairness. He made a quite a large number of mistakes for a few seasons at City and apparently had shockers at Torino as well. Then there's England... I think he's grossly over rated Edited by Mstrobez (12 Jun 2017 2.57pm)
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| chateauferret 12 Jun 17 7.50pm |
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There seems to be a certain amount of sympathy for Hart, because of the treatment he received from City, which was appalling in all fairness. But that does not make him a better player than he is, and he has been great in the past but has as you say been somewhat gaffe-prone for a couple of years now.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 12 Jun 17 7.51pm |
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Some interesting comments regarding the wall. Personally, I think there is scope for not having a wall at all on the grounds that the goalkeeper will see the ball all the way. If the attacking team want to waste players in a wall of their own as a distraction then this only adds weight to my argument that the free kick specialists actually like a wall to work with rather than no wall? Look, I agree I am no expert and coaches have for years done things the same way but I think if someone analysed the percentage of free kicks scored that went over the wall to those that went the other side of the keeper then there may be a change in the way people think about the value of the wall. I think the main point I made which has not really been answered is whether a higher or lower percentage of goals would be scored from a direct free kick taken 5 yards outside the box with no-one in the way?
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