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  Hrolf The Ganger  18 Apr 17 2.01pm |
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Originally posted by europalace
I've seen what the Liberal/Left want for this country and I would urge anyone who thinks mass immigration is bonkers to vote UKIP and pressure the Tories over Brexit. Labour have betrayed the people who made them.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 18 Apr 17 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
agreed, the self employed issue was NOT handled well. I disagree that this is a 'weak government team'. This seems very ballsy and the Tories are far more united than anyone other than the SNP. She has no mandate, the team cobbled together out individuals whose one policy was Brexit, about to get a kicking over electorial expenses, losing MPs. The only reason it is ballsy is that Labour did not get rid of Corbyn, so go now. It is not like they will make an impact anywhere else say Scotland. I doubt she would have called if Benn was opposition leader.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 18 Apr 17 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I think that the choice between a Tory post brexit vision and a labour one will transcend who is leader. Labour's post Brexit vision seems at best muddled to me. A sizable % of their core vote opted for Brexit, Corbyn came across as a very weak remainer and his actions since "the fight starts here" has not helped. May cam across not mucg better but perhaps because she is PM has grabbed the issue by the scruff of the neck and said right, we are out. Personally I will probably vote Lib Dem again though I am not a particular fan of Farron
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| matt_himself Matataland 18 Apr 17 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
She has no mandate, the team cobbled together out individuals whose one policy was Brexit, about to get a kicking over electorial expenses, losing MPs. The only reason it is ballsy is that Labour did not get rid of Corbyn, so go now. It is not like they will make an impact anywhere else say Scotland. I doubt she would have called if Benn was opposition leader. She does have a mandate because we vote for a party in the general election. This is not a presidential system. You are reading the Brexit issue incorrectly. Brexit is the issue for government at the moment. Whomever campaigned for it or against it is irrelevant. It has happened and as such needs completion. If you think Hilary Benn would lead Labour to victory, I believe you are wrong. David Miliband, yes. Dan Jarvis, could do. Chukka Umunna, possibly if the Tories were unpopular enough. Hilary Benn, and for that matter Sadiq Khan, are not leader material. Like it or not, the reason this has happened is because Labour ate themselves and the stories saw the opportunity.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Apr 17 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Labour's post Brexit vision seems at best muddled to me. A sizable % of their core vote opted for Brexit, Corbyn came across as a very weak remainer and his actions since "the fight starts here" has not helped. May cam across not mucg better but perhaps because she is PM has grabbed the issue by the scruff of the neck and said right, we are out. Personally I will probably vote Lib Dem again though I am not a particular fan of Farron I thought it was an open secret that Corbyn personally wanted Brexit.
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 18 Apr 17 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
She does have a mandate because we vote for a party in the general election. This is not a presidential system. You are reading the Brexit issue incorrectly. Brexit is the issue for government at the moment. Whomever campaigned for it or against it is irrelevant. It has happened and as such needs completion. If you think Hilary Benn would lead Labour to victory, I believe you are wrong. David Miliband, yes. Dan Jarvis, could do. Chukka Umunna, possibly if the Tories were unpopular enough. Hilary Benn, and for that matter Sadiq Khan, are not leader material. I quite like Keir Starmer - comes across very well
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Apr 17 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Although you want to argue I think we both agree it is a good time for the Stories to go to the poles. Pressure is off from both the left and the ultra right. Pre-empt the bad stories.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 17 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Labour's post Brexit vision seems at best muddled to me. A sizable % of their core vote opted for Brexit, Corbyn came across as a very weak remainer and his actions since "the fight starts here" has not helped. May cam across not mucg better but perhaps because she is PM has grabbed the issue by the scruff of the neck and said right, we are out. Personally I will probably vote Lib Dem again though I am not a particular fan of Farron Did you hear May complaining that Labour would vote against a deal. This wasn't a given. Also, was she saying the deal should not come under parliamentary scrutiny. Europhile Tory MPs will have an interesting campaign. Also be interested to see if the 27 mps whose electoral win is being investigated by the PCC stand.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 18 Apr 17 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
So you are willing to let everything I say slide because you buy in to this bull about Corbyn being unelectable? It's almost like some sick twisted film. The party in charge are busy screwing up literally everything, increasing the wealth of the rich and f*cking over the poor and not even suggesting they're doing otherwise, then you have an opposition trying to point it out, but rather than listen, people are just lapping up the party in power's message that the opposition are unelectable. Every single one of Labour's policies are supported by a majority of the public. If this was X Factor, fair play for voting on personality. But it's not. This sh*t actually matters.
Political parties often fall into the trap of presenting policies that on an individual basis are popular. For the left, it's things like nationalisation of energy and public transport, taxation on the rich etc etc. For the right, it's things like severe halts on immigration and hanging. These are, individually, popular policies. Unfortunately for Labour, it isn't individual policies released in this manner that wins undecided votes in swing seats, it's the overall narrative that you portray. As a leftist, you would never countenance voting for a party that wants to bring back hanging. Likewise, a centre-right voter like myself wouldn't ever dream of voting for anybody who wants to renationalise utilities and transport. Undecided voters won't vote for what Corbyn is offering. It's classic Labour. Talking to their own tribe. Edited by We are goin up! (18 Apr 2017 2.23pm)
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 Michaelawt85 Bexley 18 Apr 17 2.43pm |
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David Milliband should have been leader instead of his brother. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I don't think Labour would have found themselves in this current predicament had they have voted for him rather than Ed.
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| elgrande bedford 18 Apr 17 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
David Milliband should have been leader instead of his brother. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I don't think Labour would have found themselves in this current predicament had they have voted for him rather than Ed. He's to busy earning $600,000 a year as head of the IRC (A CHARITY)to come back into politics..why is anyone..and I mean anyone allowed to earn that much money as head of a charity.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Apr 17 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
He's to busy earning 600,000 a year as head of the IRC (A CHARITY)to come back into politics..why is anyone..and I mean anyone allowed to earn that much money as head of a charity. Are you sure? Paid that much in a charity? If that's true that is appalling. I know hypocrisy and the left can almost be synonyms sometimes but I would have thought there would be some limit to 'champagne socialism'. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Apr 2017 3.00pm)
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