Ok, so he didn't get relegated. My mistake. But the other points still stand. His Stoke scored the least number of goals in the Premier League for 2 consecutive seasons and they weren't playing anything. This after he had been manager there for....how many years exactly? This is exactly the reference you need. Not what Pulis does in 6 months.

What's his legacy? What does he do in the long term? He had been training Stoke for such a long time (Kenwyne Jones, Ricardo Fuller, Cameron Jerome) and he took that team from scoring some goals to scoring the least number of goals.

I'm not saying he's the worst manager in the world. But he's overrated. Not everything he or Sam Allardyce (please don't make me call him Big Sam -barf- ) say is good, where this discussion started from.

Someone claimed that if they bid for Schlup, then Schlup must be worth it.
He's a decent player, but he's neither a left back nor a left midfielder. I wouldn't say I'd be unhappy with Schlup in the squad, just that there were other much cheaper options out there. The world doesn;t end with the Premier League, as Pulis and Allardyce seem to think. And as Pardew believed before them. That's why I don't have such a gigantic respect for them as managers. They don't do enough for the money they earn.

Ok, so he didn't get relegated. My mistake. But the other points still stand. His Stoke scored the least number of goals in the Premier League for 2 consecutive seasons and they weren't playing anything. This after he had been manager there for....how many years exactly? This is exactly the reference you need. Not what Pulis does in 6 months.

What's his legacy? What does he do in the long term? He had been training Stoke for such a long time (Kenwyne Jones, Ricardo Fuller, Cameron Jerome) and he took that team from scoring some goals to scoring the least number of goals.

I'm not saying he's the worst manager in the world. But he's overrated. Not everything he or Sam Allardyce (please don't make me call him Big Sam -barf- ) say is good, where this discussion started from.

Someone claimed that if they bid for Schlup, then Schlup must be worth it.
He's a decent player, but he's neither a left back nor a left midfielder. I wouldn't say I'd be unhappy with Schlup in the squad, just that there were other much cheaper options out there. The world doesn;t end with the Premier League, as Pulis and Allardyce seem to think. And as Pardew believed before them. That's why I don't have such a gigantic respect for them as managers. They don't do enough for the money they earn.

Originally posted by OknotOK as far as I can see Pulis' Stoke was the lowest scoring team in one season only while in the top division (2011-12). They aren't high scorers, but otherwise never the lowest (and they still survived by 8 points that season).

In the 2011-12 and 2012-13 Stoke had the least goals scored in the Premier League. Yes, managed to avoid relegation. But what kind of team is that? Ugly is a small word. And this was the years work of the manager, not him being at the club 6 months.

Originally posted by OknotOK Stoke and Swansea are the only two sides to have been promoted to the premier league and not relegated. Given where Swansea are now, I would say that's a pretty successful legacy. I intensely dislike Pulis (and didn't want Allardyce as our manager) but your complaints just don't seem warranted.

His contribution is based on where he took the team as long as he was in charge. He took Stoke to being the team with least shots, least possession, least goals in the Premier League after being there for 7 years, meaning that he made that squad, he trained every aspect of those players, he is fully responsible for that point they ended up in.Since his departure there have been numerous changes to Stoke. Surely, you can't seriously think he has a hand in them staying up this season or last season or the season before that.

Personally if Palace win enough games 1-0 to stay up I will be happy. Surely any Palace supporter will agree.
Of course, having played /watched Football for many years I love open attacking games but unfortunately this is not the way of the world anymore.
Please give SA a chance I am positive that things are on the up (and I was very supportive of AP)

Ok, so he didn't get relegated. My mistake. But the other points still stand. His Stoke scored the least number of goals in the Premier League for 2 consecutive seasons and they weren't playing anything. This after he had been manager there for....how many years exactly? This is exactly the reference you need. Not what Pulis does in 6 months.

What's his legacy? What does he do in the long term? He had been training Stoke for such a long time (Kenwyne Jones, Ricardo Fuller, Cameron Jerome) and he took that team from scoring some goals to scoring the least number of goals.

He keeps teams in the Premier League. Funny, but club owners and supporters are a sucker for that

I'm not saying he's the worst manager in the world. But he's overrated. Not everything he or Sam Allardyce (please don't make me call him Big Sam -barf- ) say is good, where this discussion started from.

So overrated that his peers voted him manager of the year a couple of seasons ago

Someone claimed that if they bid for Schlup, then Schlup must be worth it.
He's a decent player, but he's neither a left back nor a left midfielder. I wouldn't say I'd be unhappy with Schlup in the squad, just that there were other much cheaper options out there. The world doesn;t end with the Premier League, as Pulis and Allardyce seem to think. And as Pardew believed before them. That's why I don't have such a gigantic respect for them as managers. They don't do enough for the money they earn.