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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 07 Jan 17 10.22pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin I think some people miss the point about Jedinak. I would not expect him to play every game or even a full 90 minutes. It is the effect a player like that can have by being around. Strength of character, being there for the other players, a positive influence in the dressing room etc. Frank Lampard - if he were with us - would not be capable of playing all the time now but what an effect he would have. If reports are to be believed the whole squad was unhappy with the way Jedinak was treated by Pardew and so I feel that unlikely as it is that a return to CPFC would only help us. Jedinak or Mutch - you decide! Got any links to back up the "reports"? Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Originally posted by The Dolphin

I think some people miss the point about Jedinak.
I would not expect him to play every game or even a full 90 minutes.
It is the effect a player like that can have by being around.
Strength of character, being there for the other players, a positive influence in the dressing room etc.
Frank Lampard - if he were with us - would not be capable of playing all the time now but what an effect he would have.
If reports are to be believed the whole squad was unhappy with the way Jedinak was treated by Pardew and so I feel that unlikely as it is that a return to CPFC would only help us.
Jedinak or Mutch - you decide!

Got any links to back up the "reports"?

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Hansy 07 Jan 17 10.49pm
I'd be more than happy to pay double the amount they paid for him. We just need him at this moment in time.
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07 Jan 17 10.49pm

I'd be more than happy to pay double the amount they paid for him. We just need him at this moment in time.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jan 17 11.32pm
Originally posted by Hansy I'd be more than happy to pay double the amount they paid for him. We just need him at this moment in time. You don't make those decisions, luckily. The price you're quoting is £8mil for someone who isn't going to be worth that. It's not that Pardew sold Jedi, it's that he didn't replace him properly, although you could make a case for too many of that guard being sold, but then again the replacements come into question. In fact all of Pardew's recruits should be questioned. Acquiescence top of the character requirements. Woodman and Salako, tick. Millen, you a yes man or afraid your job's in danger if you challenge super al? Check, you're safe as well. What a joke. Club run for Alan's job security. Utter farce. Glad it's all over. Start being professional again. COYP
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Caterham 07 Jan 17 11.32pm

Originally posted by Hansy

I'd be more than happy to pay double the amount they paid for him. We just need him at this moment in time.

You don't make those decisions, luckily.

The price you're quoting is £8mil for someone who isn't going to be worth that.

It's not that Pardew sold Jedi, it's that he didn't replace him properly, although you could make a case for too many of that guard being sold, but then again the replacements come into question.

In fact all of Pardew's recruits should be questioned. Acquiescence top of the character requirements. Woodman and Salako, tick. Millen, you a yes man or afraid your job's in danger if you challenge super al? Check, you're safe as well. What a joke. Club run for Alan's job security. Utter farce. Glad it's all over. Start being professional again.

COYP

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Midlands Eagle 08 Jan 17 7.29am
Originally posted by Hansy I'd be more than happy to pay double the amount they paid for him. I'm sure that Steve Parish would be glad to hear of your kind offer
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Originally posted by Hansy

I'd be more than happy to pay double the amount they paid for him.

I'm sure that Steve Parish would be glad to hear of your kind offer

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The Dolphin 08 Jan 17 9.01am
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Got any links to back up the "reports"? [Link] [Link] [Link] Unfortunately I am unable to find the article written the day after Pardew lost his job - more of a commentary on his tenure actually - where it was felt that his general treatment of Jedinak didn't play well with the squad of players at all. I honestly can't remember whether it was internet or newspaper but it was a fair resume to be honest
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08 Jan 17 9.01am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Got any links to back up the "reports"?

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Unfortunately I am unable to find the article written the day after Pardew lost his job - more of a commentary on his tenure actually - where it was felt that his general treatment of Jedinak didn't play well with the squad of players at all.
I honestly can't remember whether it was internet or newspaper but it was a fair resume to be honest

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Dangermouse Hastings 08 Jan 17 10.36am
Love Jedi to death, but would not resign him. Mistake was not bringing in a dedicated holder as replacement. Punch, Cabaye, Macca, Ledley and Flamini, have all been tried there, but none cut it as it's just not their natural games. The fall of Jedi came about as AP coped very well without him when he went to that Asia cup thing and when he returned he stupidly got a four match ban for that elbow against West Ham and if I remember we coped well then too. Both FFS and Jedi did not want to be bench warmers and that was what they would of been under AP, so fair play for not holding them back IMO. Gayle is an enigma. Praised by every manager since Ollie, yet none could find a way to fit him in. Now he looks great in the strongest squad in the championship playing games where they have the majority of possession and he gets chances galore. Maybe he'd even do it for a top 6 side in the prem, but not a struggling one like us IMO. Benteke is already being abused by the patient ones on here, but I think he has 8 league goals so far, quite possibly the most by a Palace forward since we came up, sure someone will correct me. He's playing in a struggling side and he's new to the club. Yes he cost more than Gayle, but seriously there's no contest in the who I'd rather have stakes. As for the lazy jibes, total bollocks, he ran down Forster, Gomez and Fabianski to great effect in recent weeks and but for a bent ref who knows what could of happened at Swansea. Would take him off pens though. Too many want the old players back because they had this "spirit" thing you go on about. So did Ramage, Moxey, KG, Garvan and Wilbraham, shall we resign them too? That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Hastings 08 Jan 17 10.36am

Love Jedi to death, but would not resign him. Mistake was not bringing in a dedicated holder as replacement. Punch, Cabaye, Macca, Ledley and Flamini, have all been tried there, but none cut it as it's just not their natural games. The fall of Jedi came about as AP coped very well without him when he went to that Asia cup thing and when he returned he stupidly got a four match ban for that elbow against West Ham and if I remember we coped well then too.
Both FFS and Jedi did not want to be bench warmers and that was what they would of been under AP, so fair play for not holding them back IMO. Gayle is an enigma. Praised by every manager since Ollie, yet none could find a way to fit him in. Now he looks great in the strongest squad in the championship playing games where they have the majority of possession and he gets chances galore. Maybe he'd even do it for a top 6 side in the prem, but not a struggling one like us IMO.
Benteke is already being abused by the patient ones on here, but I think he has 8 league goals so far, quite possibly the most by a Palace forward since we came up, sure someone will correct me. He's playing in a struggling side and he's new to the club. Yes he cost more than Gayle, but seriously there's no contest in the who I'd rather have stakes. As for the lazy jibes, total bollocks, he ran down Forster, Gomez and Fabianski to great effect in recent weeks and but for a bent ref who knows what could of happened at Swansea. Would take him off pens though.
Too many want the old players back because they had this "spirit" thing you go on about. So did Ramage, Moxey, KG, Garvan and Wilbraham, shall we resign them too?

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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Booted Eagle Bristol 08 Jan 17 11.09am
As other have already stated it is the failure to adequately replace Jedi that is the issue. However that was never going to be easy due to his history, persona within the recent club's history which is huge. Leadership takes time, that's why you need other more experienced players within the club to step up. If you are looking to upgrade usually you would replace with a younger, sharper player, able to play every game not necessarily a leader. For instance you would not necessarily sign the likes of Mark Noble as a replacement, the same deficiencies would be seen. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 08 Jan 17 11.09am

As other have already stated it is the failure to adequately replace Jedi that is the issue. However that was never going to be easy due to his history, persona within the recent club's history which is huge. Leadership takes time, that's why you need other more experienced players within the club to step up. If you are looking to upgrade usually you would replace with a younger, sharper player, able to play every game not necessarily a leader. For instance you would not necessarily sign the likes of Mark Noble as a replacement, the same deficiencies would be seen.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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Painter Croydon 08 Jan 17 11.27am
Originally posted by Booted Eagle As other have already stated it is the failure to adequately replace Jedi that is the issue. However that was never going to be easy due to his history, persona within the recent club's history which is huge. Leadership takes time, that's why you need other more experienced players within the club to step up. If you are looking to upgrade usually you would replace with a younger, sharper player, able to play every game not necessarily a leader. For instance you would not necessarily sign the likes of Mark Noble as a replacement, the same deficiencies would be seen. Replacing a fans favourite is never easy. I assume Flamini was brought in as replacement, not a carbon copy, but has vast experience at the top level, about the same age and has played about as much as Jedinak would have.
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Croydon 08 Jan 17 11.27am

Originally posted by Booted Eagle

Replacing a fans favourite is never easy. I assume Flamini was brought in as replacement, not a carbon copy, but has vast experience at the top level, about the same age and has played about as much as Jedinak would have.

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Phil H 08 Jan 17 12.46pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You don't make those decisions, luckily. The price you're quoting is £8mil for someone who isn't going to be worth that. It's not that Pardew sold Jedi, it's that he didn't replace him properly, although you could make a case for too many of that guard being sold, but then again the replacements come into question. In fact all of Pardew's recruits should be questioned. Acquiescence top of the character requirements. Woodman and Salako, tick. Millen, you a yes man or afraid your job's in danger if you challenge super al? Check, you're safe as well. What a joke. Club run for Alan's job security. Utter farce. Glad it's all over. Start being professional again. "Glad it's all over"? Someone could write a song a bit like that, maybe add "Baby I'm" to it?
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08 Jan 17 12.46pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You don't make those decisions, luckily.

The price you're quoting is £8mil for someone who isn't going to be worth that.

It's not that Pardew sold Jedi, it's that he didn't replace him properly, although you could make a case for too many of that guard being sold, but then again the replacements come into question.

In fact all of Pardew's recruits should be questioned. Acquiescence top of the character requirements. Woodman and Salako, tick. Millen, you a yes man or afraid your job's in danger if you challenge super al? Check, you're safe as well. What a joke. Club run for Alan's job security. Utter farce. Glad it's all over. Start being professional again.

"Glad it's all over"? Someone could write a song a bit like that, maybe add "Baby I'm" to it?

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 08 Jan 17 1.01pm
Originally posted by Hudsoneagle I totally disagree with you...I could not disagree with you more! Murray - He is good enough to play for a prem team but he doesn't want to be a bench player. He is an honest bloke who wants to play a key role for a club and so he would rather play for Brighton regularly...but that doesnt mean he isn't good enough. Jedinak - exactly the same thing...he wants first team football and Pardew said he couldn't ask him to sit on the bench for us week in week out (but Ledley and Mutch are ok for bench roles). It says a lot about his ability that he was more sought after than either Ledley or Mutch don't you think? To say Gayle isn't good enough for the prem just shows what a plonka you are...top scorer for us 3 years running or something like that??? After barely starting a game? On fire in the Champ??? He is prem quality all day long but he didn't suit our system...in some respects we were not good enough for him because we couldn't play with a front two. you've basically just said that all three are only good enough for the bench in the Prem, which means they're not Prem first team players which is pretty much what the OP was saying.
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Originally posted by Hudsoneagle

I totally disagree with you...I could not disagree with you more!

Murray - He is good enough to play for a prem team but he doesn't want to be a bench player. He is an honest bloke who wants to play a key role for a club and so he would rather play for Brighton regularly...but that doesnt mean he isn't good enough.

Jedinak - exactly the same thing...he wants first team football and Pardew said he couldn't ask him to sit on the bench for us week in week out (but Ledley and Mutch are ok for bench roles). It says a lot about his ability that he was more sought after than either Ledley or Mutch don't you think?

To say Gayle isn't good enough for the prem just shows what a plonka you are...top scorer for us 3 years running or something like that??? After barely starting a game? On fire in the Champ??? He is prem quality all day long but he didn't suit our system...in some respects we were not good enough for him because we couldn't play with a front two.

you've basically just said that all three are only good enough for the bench in the Prem, which means they're not Prem first team players which is pretty much what the OP was saying.

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Mad4palace 08 Jan 17 2.04pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet you've basically just said that all three are only good enough for the bench in the Prem, which means they're not Prem first team players which is pretty much what the OP was saying. But if you get rid of those kinds of players then you end up with a premier league first xi with a lower championship level bench like we have now. Murray would have gotten plenty of game time last season, Jedinak under Allardyce or Pulis would probably still be an essential part of the team. Gayle was a bit of an enigma, so I could kind of see the logic in selling him for a good price.
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08 Jan 17 2.04pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

you've basically just said that all three are only good enough for the bench in the Prem, which means they're not Prem first team players which is pretty much what the OP was saying.

But if you get rid of those kinds of players then you end up with a premier league first xi with a lower championship level bench like we have now. Murray would have gotten plenty of game time last season, Jedinak under Allardyce or Pulis would probably still be an essential part of the team. Gayle was a bit of an enigma, so I could kind of see the logic in selling him for a good price.

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mrfantasy maidstone 08 Jan 17 2.22pm
Originally posted by orpingtoneagle As a club we have a bit of a history of bringing back players for second spells. (Andy Gray, David Hopkins,AJ, Wilf,Derry.) It rarely seems to work. Only Wilf and Derry spring to mind s a success and I would discount Wilf as he left when very young. The old adage 'Never go back,' springs to mind. Old warriors are mostly just that, old. We need new champions now. One of the best returnee's ever in my opinion was Steve Kember who was very instrumental in getting us promoted in 79 as he was back in 69.
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maidstone 08 Jan 17 2.22pm

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

As a club we have a bit of a history of bringing back players for second spells. (Andy Gray, David Hopkins,AJ, Wilf,Derry.) It rarely seems to work. Only Wilf and Derry spring to mind s a success and I would discount Wilf as he left when very young.

The old adage 'Never go back,' springs to mind. Old warriors are mostly just that, old. We need new champions now.

One of the best returnee's ever in my opinion was Steve Kember who was very instrumental in getting us promoted in 79 as he was back in 69.

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