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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Sep 16 3.21pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Bias is bias.......

Who's to say what influences people.... an innocent remark that goes viral, a misunderstood quote, political grooming by teachers...........

It all has an effect once its been retweeted or other method with a bit of chinese whispers for good measure.

Miselling pensions to get the best commission...

 

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on me shed son Flag Krakow 12 Sep 16 6.23pm Send a Private Message to on me shed son Add on me shed son as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

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Some interesting analysis here...
In 2013, researchers at Cardiff University undertook a major content analysis of BBC coverage – funded in part by the BBC Trust. They studied the impartiality of BBC reporting across several areas, including the Israel-Palestine conflict, the EU, business and economics, and politics.



The findings revealed that:

Whichever party is in power, the Conservative party is granted more air time.
On BBC News at Six, business representatives outnumbered trade union spokespersons by more than five to one (11 vs 2) in 2007 and by 19 to one in 2012.
When it comes to the Financial Crisis, BBC coverage was almost completely dominated by stockbrokers, investment bankers, hedge fund managers and other City voices. Civil society voices or commentators who questioned the benefits of having such a large finance sector were almost completely absent from coverage.

In 2013, a devastating report by Electronic Intifada, revealed that Raffi Berg, online editor for BBC News, was instructing journalists to skew reports on Israel-Palestine in favour of Israel. While hundreds of Palestinians were losing their lives during Israel’s eight day assault on the Gaza strip in 2012, Berg was emailing journalists with ‘guidance’ to maintain a pro-Israel tone in their reports. This from the report:

In one, he asked BBC colleagues to word their stories in a way which does not blame or “put undue emphasis” on Israel for starting the prolonged attacks. Instead, he encouraged journalists to promote the Israeli government line that the “offensive” was “aimed at ending rocket fire from Gaza.”

This was despite the fact that Israel broke a ceasefire when it attacked Gaza on 14 November, a ceasefire which the Palestinians had been observing — firing no rockets into Israel.

In a second email, sent during the same period, Berg told BBC journalists:

“Please remember, Israel doesn’t maintain a blockade around Gaza. Egypt controls the southern border.”

He omitted to mention that the United Nations views Israel as the occupying power in Gaza and has called on Israel to end its siege of the Strip. Israel’s refusal to do so is a violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1860.”


Edited by nickgusset (03 Jun 2016 9.48pm)


Do you know what period they took the content from exactly? I would be surprised if the Conservatives got more coverage between 1997-2005 when Blair was a media darling.

As for the business part, surely it depends on the content of the story doesn't it? I mean there are some subjects in business stories that union representatives wouldn't be able to contribute to.

As for the financial crisis, surely those in the city were best placed to know what was actually going on. I remember at that time it was extremely difficult to get your head around what was going on and why, so maybe this was why we saw more representatives from the city.

As for Isreal/Palestine, I don't want to open that can of worms.

Speaking as a conservative (note the small c), I think the BBC is fairly balanced, as it produces content I both agree with and disagree with.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Sep 16 7.05pm

Originally posted by on me shed son


Do you know what period they took the content from exactly? I would be surprised if the Conservatives got more coverage between 1997-2005 when Blair was a media darling.

As for the business part, surely it depends on the content of the story doesn't it? I mean there are some subjects in business stories that union representatives wouldn't be able to contribute to.

As for the financial crisis, surely those in the city were best placed to know what was actually going on. I remember at that time it was extremely difficult to get your head around what was going on and why, so maybe this was why we saw more representatives from the city.

As for Isreal/Palestine, I don't want to open that can of worms.

Speaking as a conservative (note the small c), I think the BBC is fairly balanced, as it produces content I both agree with and disagree with.

Barely anyone in the city saw the financial crash coming so why think their views are valid. As the article said 'Civil society voices or commentators who questioned the benefits of having such a large finance sector were almost completely absent from coverage'

The business part you refer to didn't say it was about business but the news as a whole.


Edit:The full research / report can be found here (it's long...) [Link]

Edited by nickgusset (12 Sep 2016 7.13pm)

 

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on me shed son Flag Krakow 12 Sep 16 7.07pm Send a Private Message to on me shed son Add on me shed son as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Barely anyone in the city saw the financial crash coming so why think their views are valid. As the article said 'Civil society voices or commentators who questioned the benefits of having such a large finance sector were almost completely absent from coverage'

The business part you refer to didn't say it was about business but the news as a whole.

But wouldn't it be sensible to infer that business figures would generally be talking about business topics? I mean you wouldn't ask the chairman of Waitrose to review Katie Price's latest book.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Sep 16 7.14pm

Originally posted by on me shed son

But wouldn't it be sensible to infer that business figures would generally be talking about business topics? I mean you wouldn't ask the chairman of Waitrose to review Katie Price's latest book.

I see what you're saying but further detail is in the link I posted in my edit of my last post

 

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on me shed son Flag Krakow 12 Sep 16 7.51pm Send a Private Message to on me shed son Add on me shed son as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I see what you're saying but further detail is in the link I posted in my edit of my last post

The study's too long to read but I see that they did the study in 2007 and 2012, so at a period when the Labour government was very much on the way down and being attacked by a young, up-and-coming Conservative leader and then again when they were out of government. Is that necessarily an indication of bias or could it be simply that Cameron was on the attack against a tired-looking and not particularly charismatic Gordon Brown. I would assert that if you did the same thing in 1996 and again in 2001 you could easily infer a Labour bias, with a young Blair savaging the apparently dull John Major.

Also, I jumped on the business thing as the study says "They studied the impartiality of BBC reporting across several areas, including the Israel-Palestine conflict, the EU, business and economics, and politics." I assumed from this that they were comparing the business leaders/union reps on business stories. Again, surely it depends on the nature of the story, as you would tend to ask business leaders to talk about profit warnings/company reports etc. and union reps to talk more about labor disputes.

And again, regarding the crisis, when the stories were about Bear Sterns going bust etc. you would expect them to interview those inside the companies under threat.

I'm not necessarily trying to poo-poo the study, but you must admit it's very easy in a study of the media to make it fit with a particular hypothesis. Equally, maybe it reflects the relative importance these groups are perceived to have, not necessarily by the BBC but by society as a whole.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Sep 16 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Barely anyone in the city saw the financial crash coming so why think their views are valid. As the article said 'Civil society voices or commentators who questioned the benefits of having such a large finance sector were almost completely absent from coverage'

The business part you refer to didn't say it was about business but the news as a whole.


Edit:The full research / report can be found here (it's long...) [Link]

Edited by nickgusset (12 Sep 2016 7.13pm)

You do know Nick that it was people inside the financial system who actually deliberately crashed it right?

It wasn't as if no one knew what was going to happen. The reality was that only a few knew and believed it could happen.

But don't be fooled into the hype that no one in the financial sector predicted this nor actually bet upon it happening.

They massively bet against the system which turned it from a definite problem into the massive crash that occurred and that we still contend with today.

Well, that's what the 'Big Short' taught me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2016 2.41am)

 


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Jeremy Corbyn has my full support to remain Labour leader as long as he lives.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Sep 16 1.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You do know Nick that it was people inside the financial system who actually deliberately crashed it right?

It wasn't as if no one knew what was going to happen. The reality was that only a few knew and believed it could happen.

But don't be fooled into the hype that no one in the financial sector predicted this nor actually bet upon it happening.

They massively bet against the system which turned it from a definite problem into the massive crash that occurred and that we still contend with today.

Well, that's what the 'Big Short' taught me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2016 2.41am)

I agree with Stirling, the writing was on the wall, and I think many knew it 'couldn't last'. Its a bit like how suddenly no one was a supporter of Hitler when 10,000 Soviet tanks turned up on their doorstep and happy to blame someone else.

What is really questionable is how oversight and auditors didn't pick up on many of these issues.

If financial investment and banks couldn't see the reality of the risk of what they were doing, its because they were blinded by greed. Its why they wanted the regulations removed in the first place.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Sep 16 1.20pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I agree with Stirling, the writing was on the wall, and I think many knew it 'couldn't last'. Its a bit like how suddenly no one was a supporter of Hitler when 10,000 Soviet tanks turned up on their doorstep and happy to blame someone else.

What is really questionable is how oversight and auditors didn't pick up on many of these issues.

If financial investment and banks couldn't see the reality of the risk of what they were doing, its because they were blinded by greed. Its why they wanted the regulations removed in the first place.

Indeed, I'd wager that nothings been learned and the same people are in charge. Should have followed Icelands lead and jailed the feckers.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Sep 16 2.19pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I agree with Stirling, the writing was on the wall, and I think many knew it 'couldn't last'. Its a bit like how suddenly no one was a supporter of Hitler when 10,000 Soviet tanks turned up on their doorstep and happy to blame someone else.

What is really questionable is how oversight and auditors didn't pick up on many of these issues.

If financial investment and banks couldn't see the reality of the risk of what they were doing, its because they were blinded by greed. Its why they wanted the regulations removed in the first place.

Indeed, It's this aspect of human nature that annoys me the most.

It's why I like a politician with convictions...preferably the mental ones Even if I don't agree with some of them...As long as they aren't that mad.

But the reality is that most people will bend with the wind to maximise their personal advantage.....I suppose everyone is willing to acquiesce for necessity but plenty are quite prepared to have little principle if it secures some advantage.

They can always re-pattern and rationalise their behaviour to themselves at a later date if at all.

Most human beings are pretty s*** actually.

On that note I'm available to book for parties, weddings and other celebrations.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Sep 16 2.23pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Indeed, It's this aspect of human nature that annoys me the most.

It's why I like a politician with convictions...preferably the mental ones Even if I don't agree with some of them...As long as they aren't that mad.

But the reality is that most people will bend with the wind to maximise their personal advantage.....I suppose everyone is willing to acquiesce for necessity but plenty are quite prepared to have little principle if it secures some advantage.

They can always re-pattern and rationalise their behaviour to themselves at a later date if at all.

Most human beings are pretty s*** actually.

On that note I'm available to book for parties, weddings and other celebrations.

Can you do a welcome to Britain party for a family of 20 Syrians for me?

 

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