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AussieJedinak Folkestone 22 Apr 14 10.56pm
At the end of the day who would want to play out of a generic and stale stadium? Two words I hear too much in sport these days are franchise and business.
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At the end of the day who would want to play out of a generic and stale stadium?

Two words I hear too much in sport these days are franchise and business.

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bailj018 Crawley 23 Apr 14 1.46pm
Quote Catfish at 20 Apr 2014 9.47pm All this "spiritual home" stuff about CP park evades the issue of how fans lving South of the park will get there. Getting to Gipsy Hill or Crystal Palace station is a pain in the butt. Selhurst may have its faults but having three stations nearby is a big plus. This is especially important given that so many fans are ex-Croydon or South Norwood. If we locate somewhere away from a mainline station then it has to be in an area that allows for dispersal of traffic, ie: major road links. That would suggest places such as A23 or A22. If that is the case then maybe we should be looking for locations at places like Godstone or some brownfield site on the southern M25? Was wondering when someone would mention the practicalities of getting to games for fans who are no longer super close to the stadium. I currently live in Crawley, get the train from Three Bridge's to Norwood Junction in 30/40 mins. Selhurst Park is in a perfect location (for me) but the need for a stadium revamp is undeniable. There will always be ups and downs of renovating/moving etc. In the long term however, I think the best solution would be to move, too much hassle trying to expand/improve our current stadium with Sainsbury's and the council etc.
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Quote Catfish at 20 Apr 2014 9.47pm

All this "spiritual home" stuff about CP park evades the issue of how fans lving South of the park will get there. Getting to Gipsy Hill or Crystal Palace station is a pain in the butt. Selhurst may have its faults but having three stations nearby is a big plus. This is especially important given that so many fans are ex-Croydon or South Norwood.
If we locate somewhere away from a mainline station then it has to be in an area that allows for dispersal of traffic, ie: major road links. That would suggest places such as A23 or A22. If that is the case then maybe we should be looking for locations at places like Godstone or some brownfield site on the southern M25?

Was wondering when someone would mention the practicalities of getting to games for fans who are no longer super close to the stadium. I currently live in Crawley, get the train from Three Bridge's to Norwood Junction in 30/40 mins. Selhurst Park is in a perfect location (for me) but the need for a stadium revamp is undeniable. There will always be ups and downs of renovating/moving etc. In the long term however, I think the best solution would be to move, too much hassle trying to expand/improve our current stadium with Sainsbury's and the council etc.

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cyclecpfc Bromley 23 Apr 14 2.14pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 22 Apr 2014 9.29pm Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 22 Apr 2014 9.17pm Quote EastEndPalace at 21 Apr 2014 10.08am We also lose our South London/Croydon identity and become a club from Kent f*** That. You do realise that CPP is SE19. Or is that Kent to you. On my map, it is a bit closer to central London, but still south. When I was very young Croydon wasn't a London borough, although Selhurst was.The giveaway is the post code. DOH CPP is now within the London Borough of Bromley so it has a BR postcode, not an SE one. I don't think it matters a jot mind you, and it still has a London telephone number (020. Edited by SloveniaDave (22 Apr 2014 9.29pm) which is why penge has a SE20 postcode crystal palace park road has an se26 postcode and anerley has an se19 post code all surrounding the bromley side? Edited by cyclecpfc (23 Apr 2014 2.14pm)
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Bromley 23 Apr 14 2.14pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 22 Apr 2014 9.29pm

Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 22 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 21 Apr 2014 10.08am

We also lose our South London/Croydon identity and become a club from Kent f*** That.

You do realise that CPP is SE19. Or is that Kent to you. On my map, it is a bit closer to central London, but still south. When I was very young Croydon wasn't a London borough, although Selhurst was.The giveaway is the post code. DOH

CPP is now within the London Borough of Bromley so it has a BR postcode, not an SE one. I don't think it matters a jot mind you, and it still has a London telephone number (020.

Edited by SloveniaDave (22 Apr 2014 9.29pm)

which is why penge has a SE20 postcode crystal palace park road has an se26 postcode and anerley has an se19 post code all surrounding the bromley side?

Edited by cyclecpfc (23 Apr 2014 2.14pm)

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RedandBlueArmy! Croydon 23 Apr 14 2.50pm
I really don't see a problem.. We can have the whole stadium revamped durin this summers break ready for next season... Throw enough builders at it and it will be completed before next season... What's is the problem?
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I really don't see a problem..
We can have the whole stadium revamped durin this summers break ready for next season...
Throw enough builders at it and it will be completed before next season...
What's is the problem?

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Mapletree Croydon 23 Apr 14 3.09pm
Quote croydon proud at 22 Apr 2014 9.13pm Did read a while back that cp park idea is dead and buried and we were looking at redeveloping sp with a school behind main stand and sainsburys involved to, i for one would like to stay at selhurst as im one of the 16 per cent and with lots coming from south of coulsdon and sutton way i would say about a good third to half of all support comes from croydon and surrounding areas, i would like a villa park type stadia like eastender, four different style stands2,3 and 4 tiers, but as i said, think we are staying so should get used to it! Blo*dy hell, they are going to rebuild Lady Edridge? That damned place ruined me sister.
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Quote croydon proud at 22 Apr 2014 9.13pm

Did read a while back that cp park idea is dead and buried and we were looking at redeveloping sp with a school behind main stand and sainsburys involved to, i for one would like to stay at selhurst as im one of the 16 per cent and with lots coming from south of coulsdon and sutton way i would say about a good third to half of all support comes from croydon and surrounding areas, i would like a villa park type stadia like eastender, four different style stands2,3 and 4 tiers, but as i said, think we are staying so should get used to it!

Blo*dy hell, they are going to rebuild Lady Edridge? That damned place ruined me sister.

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 23 Apr 14 3.31pm
Quote cyclecpfc at 23 Apr 2014 2.14pm Quote SloveniaDave at 22 Apr 2014 9.29pm Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 22 Apr 2014 9.17pm Quote EastEndPalace at 21 Apr 2014 10.08am We also lose our South London/Croydon identity and become a club from Kent f*** That. You do realise that CPP is SE19. Or is that Kent to you. On my map, it is a bit closer to central London, but still south. When I was very young Croydon wasn't a London borough, although Selhurst was.The giveaway is the post code. DOH CPP is now within the London Borough of Bromley so it has a BR postcode, not an SE one. I don't think it matters a jot mind you, and it still has a London telephone number (020. Edited by SloveniaDave (22 Apr 2014 9.29pm) which is why penge has a SE20 postcode crystal palace park road has an se26 postcode and anerley has an se19 post code all surrounding the bromley side? Edited by cyclecpfc (23 Apr 2014 2.14pm) Possibly, but Crystal Palace Park is within the LB Bromley. It was swapped, some years ago, with Norwood country park. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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Tirana, Albania 23 Apr 14 3.31pm

Quote cyclecpfc at 23 Apr 2014 2.14pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 22 Apr 2014 9.29pm

Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 22 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 21 Apr 2014 10.08am

We also lose our South London/Croydon identity and become a club from Kent f*** That.

CPP is now within the London Borough of Bromley so it has a BR postcode, not an SE one. I don't think it matters a jot mind you, and it still has a London telephone number (020.

Edited by SloveniaDave (22 Apr 2014 9.29pm)

which is why penge has a SE20 postcode crystal palace park road has an se26 postcode and anerley has an se19 post code all surrounding the bromley side?

Edited by cyclecpfc (23 Apr 2014 2.14pm)

Possibly, but Crystal Palace Park is within the LB Bromley. It was swapped, some years ago, with Norwood country park.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 23 Apr 14 3.36pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 23 Apr 2014 3.31pm Quote cyclecpfc at 23 Apr 2014 2.14pm Quote SloveniaDave at 22 Apr 2014 9.29pm Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 22 Apr 2014 9.17pm Quote EastEndPalace at 21 Apr 2014 10.08am We also lose our South London/Croydon identity and become a club from Kent f*** That. You do realise that CPP is SE19. Or is that Kent to you. On my map, it is a bit closer to central London, but still south. When I was very young Croydon wasn't a London borough, although Selhurst was.The giveaway is the post code. DOH CPP is now within the London Borough of Bromley so it has a BR postcode, not an SE one. I don't think it matters a jot mind you, and it still has a London telephone number (020. Edited by SloveniaDave (22 Apr 2014 9.29pm) which is why penge has a SE20 postcode crystal palace park road has an se26 postcode and anerley has an se19 post code all surrounding the bromley side? Edited by cyclecpfc (23 Apr 2014 2.14pm) Possibly, but Crystal Palace Park is within the LB Bromley. It was swapped, some years ago, with Norwood country park. Yes. However, most of the park (including the stadium) is SE19, with most of the rest SE20 or SE26. Why it is divided, I have no idea. None of it has a BR postcode. And I don't see what difference it makes. It's South London which ever way you spin it.
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Quote SloveniaDave at 23 Apr 2014 3.31pm

Quote cyclecpfc at 23 Apr 2014 2.14pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 22 Apr 2014 9.29pm

Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 22 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 21 Apr 2014 10.08am

We also lose our South London/Croydon identity and become a club from Kent f*** That.

CPP is now within the London Borough of Bromley so it has a BR postcode, not an SE one. I don't think it matters a jot mind you, and it still has a London telephone number (020.

Edited by SloveniaDave (22 Apr 2014 9.29pm)

which is why penge has a SE20 postcode crystal palace park road has an se26 postcode and anerley has an se19 post code all surrounding the bromley side?

Edited by cyclecpfc (23 Apr 2014 2.14pm)

Possibly, but Crystal Palace Park is within the LB Bromley. It was swapped, some years ago, with Norwood country park.

Yes. However, most of the park (including the stadium) is SE19, with most of the rest SE20 or SE26. Why it is divided, I have no idea. None of it has a BR postcode. And I don't see what difference it makes. It's South London which ever way you spin it.

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anerley_eagle Mid Wales 23 Apr 14 3.50pm
Quote the_mcanuff_stuff at 23 Apr 2014 3.36pm Quote SloveniaDave at 23 Apr 2014 3.31pm Quote cyclecpfc at 23 Apr 2014 2.14pm Quote SloveniaDave at 22 Apr 2014 9.29pm Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 22 Apr 2014 9.17pm Quote EastEndPalace at 21 Apr 2014 10.08am We also lose our South London/Croydon identity and become a club from Kent f*** That. You do realise that CPP is SE19. Or is that Kent to you. On my map, it is a bit closer to central London, but still south. When I was very young Croydon wasn't a London borough, although Selhurst was.The giveaway is the post code. DOH CPP is now within the London Borough of Bromley so it has a BR postcode, not an SE one. I don't think it matters a jot mind you, and it still has a London telephone number (020. Edited by SloveniaDave (22 Apr 2014 9.29pm) which is why penge has a SE20 postcode crystal palace park road has an se26 postcode and anerley has an se19 post code all surrounding the bromley side? Edited by cyclecpfc (23 Apr 2014 2.14pm) Possibly, but Crystal Palace Park is within the LB Bromley. It was swapped, some years ago, with Norwood country park. Yes. However, most of the park (including the stadium) is SE19, with most of the rest SE20 or SE26. Why it is divided, I have no idea. None of it has a BR postcode. And I don't see what difference it makes. It's South London which ever way you spin it. Correct. All of Bromley is technically 'South London' even out to Orpington. BORING FACT ALERT Postal addresses/post codes around London date back to the 1930s. At that time, Orpington was truly in Kent. The nearby Borough of Beckenham straddled the border, with Beckenham being in Kent and Penge being in London. In 1965, the Greater London Area was defined by law, and a number of Outer London Boroughs were formed in areas that had previously been parts of Kent, Surrey and Essex - and the whole of Middlesex got swallowed up. The London Borough of Bromley was one of the new boroughs. Politically it is part of London, but it's postal addresses are still in Kent - except for Penge/Crystal Palace. Check it out: [Link]
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Mid Wales 23 Apr 14 3.50pm

Quote the_mcanuff_stuff at 23 Apr 2014 3.36pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 23 Apr 2014 3.31pm

Quote cyclecpfc at 23 Apr 2014 2.14pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 22 Apr 2014 9.29pm

Quote Tim Gypsy Hill '64 at 22 Apr 2014 9.17pm

Quote EastEndPalace at 21 Apr 2014 10.08am

We also lose our South London/Croydon identity and become a club from Kent f*** That.

CPP is now within the London Borough of Bromley so it has a BR postcode, not an SE one. I don't think it matters a jot mind you, and it still has a London telephone number (020.

Edited by SloveniaDave (22 Apr 2014 9.29pm)

which is why penge has a SE20 postcode crystal palace park road has an se26 postcode and anerley has an se19 post code all surrounding the bromley side?

Edited by cyclecpfc (23 Apr 2014 2.14pm)

Possibly, but Crystal Palace Park is within the LB Bromley. It was swapped, some years ago, with Norwood country park.

Correct. All of Bromley is technically 'South London' even out to Orpington.

BORING FACT ALERT

Postal addresses/post codes around London date back to the 1930s. At that time, Orpington was truly in Kent. The nearby Borough of Beckenham straddled the border, with Beckenham being in Kent and Penge being in London.

In 1965, the Greater London Area was defined by law, and a number of Outer London Boroughs were formed in areas that had previously been parts of Kent, Surrey and Essex - and the whole of Middlesex got swallowed up. The London Borough of Bromley was one of the new boroughs. Politically it is part of London, but it's postal addresses are still in Kent - except for Penge/Crystal Palace.

Check it out:

[Link]

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the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 23 Apr 14 3.54pm
My own view, Crystal Palace park would be a good site. Plenty of room to build the stadium on the current footprint. 2 stations right by the park, with another 3 or 4 in walking distance. Services from Victoria, London Bridge, Norwood Junction & West Croydon, London Overground, plus lots of services further south, changing at Norwood junction for Penge West or CP. And a bus station right on the park, servicing about 10 routes. However, as a former SE19 resident, I'm afraid it's just not going to happen. The local residents association will object on every possible ground and the onus would be on Palace to disprove them, or find solutions to them, costing lots of time and money. Frankly, I think it's a non-starter. And in the absence of any other suitable sites (to my knowledge), development of SP is the only option.
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Caterham 23 Apr 14 3.54pm

My own view, Crystal Palace park would be a good site. Plenty of room to build the stadium on the current footprint. 2 stations right by the park, with another 3 or 4 in walking distance. Services from Victoria, London Bridge, Norwood Junction & West Croydon, London Overground, plus lots of services further south, changing at Norwood junction for Penge West or CP. And a bus station right on the park, servicing about 10 routes.

However, as a former SE19 resident, I'm afraid it's just not going to happen. The local residents association will object on every possible ground and the onus would be on Palace to disprove them, or find solutions to them, costing lots of time and money. Frankly, I think it's a non-starter. And in the absence of any other suitable sites (to my knowledge), development of SP is the only option.

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c_block_shedevil London 23 Apr 14 5.19pm
Quote Catfish at 22 Apr 2014 7.54pm Quote Halfwayline at 22 Apr 2014 7.38pm small] Wisbech! That is a journey and a half. It raises a key question concerning the location of the stadium - where do Palace supporters live? I suspect that if you had a heat map from 1972 and now you would see that the first one was tightly packed around Norwood and Croydon. A present one is likely to show tat support has spread very widely. Palace must have this data from their membership and season ticket sales. It would be interesting to know what proportion of support now travels from outside Croydon. I did a poll on the BBS 823 fan's responded to where they live. Just 16% live in Croydon. Edited by Halfwayline (22 Apr 2014 7.38pm) Quote That is an astonishingly small %. It begs the question of whether the club is drawing in support from the local community or is simply relying on next generation of exist g supporters. If we rely on people travelling a long way then any stadium must be close to a mainline station or major road junction. But that % of local support has to grow or the clubs long term future is very bleak. I think that the poll is flawed. Most if the palace fan base do not use the HOL or the BBS, and I bet most if the people that voted don't even go to matches. According to the poll, most palace fans live abroad and I doubt very much if that's true. I remember on years ago on the BBS, I think it was but the guy who used to write the palace echo he said that the majority of people that ordered things from his website were from SE19, CR0 and BR something. Edited by c_block_shedevil (23 Apr 2014 5.21pm) Edited by c_block_shedevil (23 Apr 2014 5.22pm) I'm tough. I'm ambitious. I know exactly what I want. If that makes me a bitch, I'm OK with that.
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Quote Catfish at 22 Apr 2014 7.54pm

Quote Halfwayline at 22 Apr 2014 7.38pm

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Wisbech!
That is a journey and a half. It raises a key question concerning the location of the stadium - where do Palace supporters live? I suspect that if you had a heat map from 1972 and now you would see that the first one was tightly packed around Norwood and Croydon. A present one is likely to show tat support has spread very widely. Palace must have this data from their membership and season ticket sales. It would be interesting to know what proportion of support now travels from outside Croydon.

I did a poll on the BBS 823 fan's responded to where they live. Just 16% live in Croydon.

Edited by Halfwayline (22 Apr 2014 7.38pm)

Quote That is an astonishingly small %. It begs the question of whether the club is drawing in support from the local community or is simply relying on next generation of exist g supporters. If we rely on people travelling a long way then any stadium must be close to a mainline station or major road junction.
But that % of local support has to grow or the clubs long term future is very bleak.

I think that the poll is flawed. Most if the palace fan base do not use the HOL or the BBS, and I bet most if the people that voted don't even go to matches. According to the poll, most palace fans live abroad and I doubt very much if that's true.

I remember on years ago on the BBS, I think it was but the guy who used to write the palace echo he said that the majority of people that ordered things from his website were from SE19, CR0 and BR something.

Edited by c_block_shedevil (23 Apr 2014 5.21pm)

Edited by c_block_shedevil (23 Apr 2014 5.22pm)

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Windebank East Preston 23 Apr 14 5.41pm
I hope to God we stay at Selhurst, it is our home! Been going for 55 years and driving up from the South Coast, know all the back doubles and best parking places. The place has got character and this needs to be retained.
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East Preston 23 Apr 14 5.41pm

I hope to God we stay at Selhurst, it is our home! Been going for 55 years and driving up from the South Coast, know all the back doubles and best parking places.
The place has got character and this needs to be retained.

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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 23 Apr 14 6.08pm
Quote Seth at 22 Apr 2014 2.39pm Quote adrian b at 22 Apr 2014 2.25pm I heard the ground is being 'lowered' to build up the stands, a new semi-circular' main stand replacing the original rust bucket and a capacity higher than 30,000. Either a change or oblivion. I can understand lowering the pitch, but a "semi-circular" stand? How the hell would that work? Use the ol' imagination.
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Landrindod, Wales 23 Apr 14 6.08pm

Quote Seth at 22 Apr 2014 2.39pm

Quote adrian b at 22 Apr 2014 2.25pm

I heard the ground is being 'lowered' to build up the stands, a new semi-circular' main stand replacing the original rust bucket and a capacity higher than 30,000. Either a change or oblivion.

I can understand lowering the pitch, but a "semi-circular" stand? How the hell would that work?

Use the ol' imagination.

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