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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 16 Feb 14 8.15pm |
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He did me a favour once with an fa cup final ticket after i lost my semi final stub so i cant knock him !
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 16 Feb 14 8.23pm |
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And i was one on the pitch 30 odd years ago saying noades out, in hindsight we did have best times under him!
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| Hoof Hearted 17 Feb 14 10.51am | |
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My post did make the point that it was not illegal (highlighted in red). Whilst his actions broke no laws, he was hardly being a benefactor to CPFC as he had bought the club for a song and could have led Palace to even greater success but he chose to be greedy and cash in. That behaviour does not warrant him being "honoured" by the club, in my opinion. Yes, I can read. So chairmen need to be benefactors to the club to fulfil your ideal of a chairman, perhaps you ought to mention that to CPFC2010, should they just plough all of their wealth in to satisfy your ambition? He bought the club for a song as it had been run down by the previous incumbent and no-one else wanted it, or put another way, he saw an opportunity and had the money to achieve it. You've side stepped the question I want you and others to answer, why shouldn't he spend money made from his business?
If you can read why did you feel the need to point out something I had already acknowledged? Why are you being so aggressive? You have an opinion and so do I. No need for it. I have not "sidestepped" anything but made it plain that I do not regard him as a benefactor and therefore totally unacceptable as a potential candidate to be honoured. Earlier you suggested that Noades was similar to myself (based on my right leaning politics and capitalist views I guess), but as far as Palace is concerned he is nothing like me - if I had a windfall I would donate it to Palace without question. I would not be looking for a return on my money. Lets hope I've cleared that up without the need for you to be in my face about it.... LOL Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Feb 2014 11.09am)
From your comments on this topic after this post, you seem unable to acknowledge that Noades did anything correctly, as I've said before, try taking your emotion out of the equation and look at the facts.
To try and answer your question... yes I do believe that football club chairmen should be benefactors. What is wrong with that? There are precious few margins to make money if you run the club to a success on field and maintain the dignity/history of the club. We have all seen the fcuk ups at Portsmouth and the recent shenanigans at Hull and Cardiff. As I have already stated Noades bought our club for a song and when things started to improve he used it as a cash cow to fund his desire to set up a few golf clubs. We have already determined that his actions were not illegal, but he can hardly be regarded as someone to be honoured because he clearly had no love for Palace otherwise he would have tried to make us as successful as we possibly could be. So in summary I believe that Noades had no right to redistribute CPFC assets to his other businesses because he was acting as a temporary "steward" of the club and as such had a duty of care to protect the ongoing stability of it for past present and future fans.
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| Hoof Hearted 17 Feb 14 10.56am | |
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Quote Willo at 16 Feb 2014 1.11pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 1.03pm
Are you saying CPFC never received a penny towards the building of the Holmesdale stand and have you proof? I divulged details regarding the £4 Mill 'Grant Aid' money that was lost due to the introduction of the lottery. The 'Holmesdale' was costed at £8 Mill, Noades was hoping to raise £2.3 Mill from long-term season ticket sales and was hoping for the £4 Mill 'Grant Aid' money which of course never materialised. At the end of the day IF some of the money for the stand was from 'Grants' so what ?????
The point I was making was that Noades did not build the Holmsdale stand as an act of kindness but mainly because he could get a grant to do so!
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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Feb 14 11.15am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Feb 2014 10.56am
The point I was making was that Noades did not build the Holmsdale stand as an act of kindness but mainly because he could get a grant to do so! NOT "Backtracking" at all - I categorically stated that the 'Grant Aid' funding was not available after the introduction of the lottery but looking at the "Broader picture" what was wrong with attempting to get funding for this project ? As for your final point, Noades always saw the improvement of facilities as crucial in terms of developing the club and in fact the 'Holmesdale' was only only one part of the project - he wanted to join it on to the main stand but this was turned down due to light considerations.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Feb 14 11.31am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Feb 2014 10.51am
You're still being quite aggressive whereas I am stating quite calmly what I think of Noades - which incidentally mirror the thoughts of most Brentford fans that feel equally ripped off from "Uncle Ron". Brentford fans will surely recall that he purchased Hreidarsson from us for some £750K and sold him on for £2.5 Mill.He also bought Darren Powell from Hampton for £15K and he was sold on to us for £400K.Noades also secured promotion for Brentford and I think won a "Manager of the Year" award.
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| Kingvagabond London 17 Feb 14 11.48am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Feb 2014 10.51am
Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 2.00pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 11.20am
Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 11.18am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 11.07am
Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 10.54am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Feb 2014 4.15pm
My post did make the point that it was not illegal (highlighted in red). Whilst his actions broke no laws, he was hardly being a benefactor to CPFC as he had bought the club for a song and could have led Palace to even greater success but he chose to be greedy and cash in. That behaviour does not warrant him being "honoured" by the club, in my opinion. Yes, I can read. So chairmen need to be benefactors to the club to fulfil your ideal of a chairman, perhaps you ought to mention that to CPFC2010, should they just plough all of their wealth in to satisfy your ambition? He bought the club for a song as it had been run down by the previous incumbent and no-one else wanted it, or put another way, he saw an opportunity and had the money to achieve it. You've side stepped the question I want you and others to answer, why shouldn't he spend money made from his business?
If you can read why did you feel the need to point out something I had already acknowledged? Why are you being so aggressive? You have an opinion and so do I. No need for it. I have not "sidestepped" anything but made it plain that I do not regard him as a benefactor and therefore totally unacceptable as a potential candidate to be honoured. Earlier you suggested that Noades was similar to myself (based on my right leaning politics and capitalist views I guess), but as far as Palace is concerned he is nothing like me - if I had a windfall I would donate it to Palace without question. I would not be looking for a return on my money. Lets hope I've cleared that up without the need for you to be in my face about it.... LOL Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Feb 2014 11.09am)
From your comments on this topic after this post, you seem unable to acknowledge that Noades did anything correctly, as I've said before, try taking your emotion out of the equation and look at the facts.
To try and answer your question... yes I do believe that football club chairmen should be benefactors. What is wrong with that? There are precious few margins to make money if you run the club to a success on field and maintain the dignity/history of the club. We have all seen the fcuk ups at Portsmouth and the recent shenanigans at Hull and Cardiff. As I have already stated Noades bought our club for a song and when things started to improve he used it as a cash cow to fund his desire to set up a few golf clubs. We have already determined that his actions were not illegal, but he can hardly be regarded as someone to be honoured because he clearly had no love for Palace otherwise he would have tried to make us as successful as we possibly could be. So in summary I believe that Noades had no right to redistribute CPFC assets to his other businesses because he was acting as a temporary "steward" of the club and as such had a duty of care to protect the ongoing stability of it for past present and future fans. Personally I agree with your sentiment 100%. Others may love Uncle Ron but I feel he's responsible for one of the worst moments in our history and I wasn't here for one of the best. Just one thing...Hull and Cardiff's owners are both benefactors...something that perhaps should be remembered.
Part of Holmesdale Radio: The Next Generation Quote cornwalls palace at 24 Oct 2012 9.37am He was right!!!...and we killed him!!... poor Orpinton Eagles........ |
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Feb 14 11.51am |
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Quote Kingvagabond at 17 Feb 2014 11.48am
but I feel he's responsible for one of the worst moments in our history What do you believe was "One of the worst moments in our history" ?
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Feb 14 11.51am |
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There were good times under Noades and there were bad times under Noades. Pretty much the same as all our chairmen. Has Noades' family asked for there to be any kind of official acknowledgement of him from the club? If they have, I'm sure we could have something. However, I'm not 100% convinced that he was that attached to Palace as he went on to another club didn't he?
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| silvertop Portishead 17 Feb 14 11.53am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Feb 2014 10.51am
Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 2.00pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 11.20am
Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 11.18am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2014 11.07am
Quote Plane at 16 Feb 2014 10.54am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Feb 2014 4.15pm
My post did make the point that it was not illegal (highlighted in red). Whilst his actions broke no laws, he was hardly being a benefactor to CPFC as he had bought the club for a song and could have led Palace to even greater success but he chose to be greedy and cash in. That behaviour does not warrant him being "honoured" by the club, in my opinion. Yes, I can read. So chairmen need to be benefactors to the club to fulfil your ideal of a chairman, perhaps you ought to mention that to CPFC2010, should they just plough all of their wealth in to satisfy your ambition? He bought the club for a song as it had been run down by the previous incumbent and no-one else wanted it, or put another way, he saw an opportunity and had the money to achieve it. You've side stepped the question I want you and others to answer, why shouldn't he spend money made from his business?
If you can read why did you feel the need to point out something I had already acknowledged? Why are you being so aggressive? You have an opinion and so do I. No need for it. I have not "sidestepped" anything but made it plain that I do not regard him as a benefactor and therefore totally unacceptable as a potential candidate to be honoured. Earlier you suggested that Noades was similar to myself (based on my right leaning politics and capitalist views I guess), but as far as Palace is concerned he is nothing like me - if I had a windfall I would donate it to Palace without question. I would not be looking for a return on my money. Lets hope I've cleared that up without the need for you to be in my face about it.... LOL Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Feb 2014 11.09am)
From your comments on this topic after this post, you seem unable to acknowledge that Noades did anything correctly, as I've said before, try taking your emotion out of the equation and look at the facts.
To try and answer your question... yes I do believe that football club chairmen should be benefactors. What is wrong with that? There are precious few margins to make money if you run the club to a success on field and maintain the dignity/history of the club. We have all seen the fcuk ups at Portsmouth and the recent shenanigans at Hull and Cardiff. As I have already stated Noades bought our club for a song and when things started to improve he used it as a cash cow to fund his desire to set up a few golf clubs. We have already determined that his actions were not illegal, but he can hardly be regarded as someone to be honoured because he clearly had no love for Palace otherwise he would have tried to make us as successful as we possibly could be. So in summary I believe that Noades had no right to redistribute CPFC assets to his other businesses because he was acting as a temporary "steward" of the club and as such had a duty of care to protect the ongoing stability of it for past present and future fans.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Feb 14 12.05pm |
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Quote silvertop at 17 Feb 2014 11.53am
He rescued a dying club, took it to incredible heights... and then cashed in. Goldberg had been trying to buy the club for months before he finally did so.Noades told him not to buy the club and not to take on Venables.Noades in fact offered to stay on for a year to allow Goldberg to settle in but he wanted to run the club straight away. Edited by Willo (17 Feb 2014 12.06pm)
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| Kingvagabond London 17 Feb 14 12.08pm |
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Quote Willo at 17 Feb 2014 11.51am
Quote Kingvagabond at 17 Feb 2014 11.48am
but I feel he's responsible for one of the worst moments in our history What do you believe was "One of the worst moments in our history" ? Administration under Goldberg largely for the fact that the club was separated from the ground. Selling to a wally like Goldberg in the first place was also his responsibility, his decision.
Part of Holmesdale Radio: The Next Generation Quote cornwalls palace at 24 Oct 2012 9.37am He was right!!!...and we killed him!!... poor Orpinton Eagles........ |
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